Devs gripe about having AI shoved down their throats - The force-feeding will continue until morale improves
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from HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org to programming@programming.dev on 21 Nov 06:01
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cross-posted from: lemmy.ca/post/55496692
Devs gripe about having AI shoved down their throats
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This kind of things are exactly what I see with a mid-level dev who enthusiastically tries to use GenAI in embedded development: He produces code that seems to work, but misses essential correctness features, like using correct locking in multi-threaded code. With the effect that his code is full of subtle races conditions, unexpected crashes, things that can’t work but would take months to debug because the errors are non-deterministic. He has not fully understood why locks are necessary or what Undefined Behaviour in C++ really means. For example, he does not see a problem with a function with a declared return value to not return a value (inconceivably, gcc accepts such code by default, but using the value is undefined behaviour). He resists to eliminate compiler warnings or instrument his code with -Werror -Wall.
Unfortunately, I am not in the position to fire him. He was the top developer for two years. Also, the company was quite successful in the past and has, over these successful years, developed an unhealthy high level of tolerance for technucal debt.
And more unfortunately, the company’s balance sheet is already underwater, because of extreme short-term thinking in upper management and large shifts in markets, and is unlikely to survive the resulting mess.
And that’s why GenAI has chances to leave kind of a double blast crater in tech: Deceptive advertising and completely unsustainable financing, followed by equally unsustainable technical decisions and development practices.
God that article is depressing. Where I work, it’s bad but not as bad as any of those stories.
In India AI outsource you.
My management are measuring code written by AI as a metric, and expect it to go up…
Run, fast!
How do they measure it?
Genuinely no idea. Which makes it even more terrifying. I suspect Copilot github stats
That is delightfully gameable. Just don’t do it all at once. ;-)
They asked AI to do it.
Makes me think used tokens, which is very easy to fake.
If I were in a malicious environment, I’d be interested in gaming the system, excessively producing AI code even if I never use it.
Pretty good and well balanced article.
As a professional software dev, AI is absolutely useful. But forcing people to use it is weird. And I never want to have to deal with a PM using AI to generate a PR and then having to review it. That’s absolutely not how you use AI, and more often or not that will be more work than just doing the whole thing yourself.
It’s critical to understand everything the AI is doing as it does it. Because, as the article said, if you don’t, you’re going to get subtle bugs that will be even more difficult to find later. And some of those bugs can be devastating. Add a number of those together and you have an unmaintainable mess.
I think this is pretty fine. Knowing what the situation calls for, knowing exactly how to accomplish it, and having the AI fill in the syntax for your psuedocode typically works pretty great. Something like “In the header add jQuery from the most common CDN. (Verify that CDN or this is a great vector for AI-induced malware/compromise.) Use an ajax call to this api [insert api url] and populate the div with id ‘mydata’.” That’s a pretty simple thing that it’ll likely handle pretty well and is easy to review.
The ways they’re forcing people to use it is kind of insane. But they’re doing that because they’re using AI as a justification for firing people. It doesn’t really work like that. Used properly will it speed up development? For most developers (anyone who used Stack Overflow), yeah. But that doesn’t mean a developer who’s juggling and maintaining 3 products can now suddenly handle 5. It doesn’t speed up context switching, really. And it’s not like it’s replacing the overhead of story boards, standups, change review boards, debugging, handling tickets, or other overhead. You might just spend 7 weeks developing a project instead of 8. And it can remove a bit of tedium (or add if you’re stupid about how you force AI).
It’s a useful tool. It shouldn’t be replacing a large number of developers. Of course they’ll fire the devs anyway, because like any other R&D the dividends are usually paid in the future. So in most cases, firing developers takes some time before you pay the toll, whether it’s opportunity cost, creating an unmaintainable mess, or losing the ability to maintain the things you already have. I expect that’s why the internet’s been falling apart lately. Fire a bunch of people and things they used to handle start to fall apart (or the people who have always handled those things get stretched too thin).
I’m sure it is.
It’s been interesting to see people not really getting angry about it, yet.
The stuff that’s falling apart is stuff that I want to fall apart. Smaller servers aren’t going down, Cloudflare is. Linux isn’t betting its future on AI, Windows is. Google was already enshittifying before LLMs and we needed room for competitors.
The clueless suits are all building coffins for whichever suit replaces them next quarter.
doG help us all.
We thought these new technologies would help humanity, to have more time to concentrate on the real work. Instead they’re being used to exploit us even more, and in such a stupid way.
It’s one of those things where having even the slightest bit of insight, you can predict that this is going to crash big time, eventually. Yet the people who should don’t listen. And then, when it inevitably happens, everyone is very surprised indeed. And somebody who knew it, just like you and thousands of other people, will be celebrated as some sort of prophet. We truly live in a dark age.
I would make Thursday AI day and do everything with AI. And Friday is recovery day, where I discard everything that didn’t work, and do what I want, to recover motivation for long-term sustainability.
I wonder if and when they would notice a productivity difference. I certainly couldn’t and wouldn’t be able to do that indefinitely.
You mean the topic of the article, or what you just wrote?
The giant AI banner ad inserted in the middle of this article about “unlocking AI” is just chef’s kiss
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Today I got told in a meeting by my manager that he’s being told we all have to use AI at every stage of the development process. I mentioned that, as a contractor, they don’t allow me to use these tools, and if they could give me access. Nope. I hate this. It’s all such bullshit.
It’s the same at $WORK.
WE WUZ AI N SHEEEIT, but nobody would buy the Claude Code licenses. “What? You already have Copilot” 🤡
Thank fuck i work in cinema content.
You mention AI and you get shot