Getting back up to speed with writing my own code after a long time away? Scattered thoughts on how different the landscape looks now.
from ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com to programming@programming.dev on 12 Jun 08:36
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/70446581

I was reading some joking comments about asking fast food customer service bots to reverse linked lists and I was struck by the realization that I didn’t quite remember how that would be done. Data structures were never my strong suit but I landed on something like going through the whole list and filing the pointers in a stack.

I was actually half decent at writing something in a programming language I barely understood back in university, but these days I prod a pandas dataframe twice a year or set up an abomination for one-off data scraping once a year and that’s about it. Maybe I do half of a Zachtronics game.

There’s two sides of this for me:

  1. The actual writing of code and the theory has become very rusty (not a pun). I’d ideally like to fully re-learn a lot of the software fundamentals. I did a lot of RTL and embedded stuff in university and I never really got deep into writing that much “traditional” code. Mostly lower level stuff and others would write the high level stuff.
  2. I’m actually not very familiar with actual tools people use to build stuff. I’m somewhat familiar with Conda and NodeJS, my understanding of the microcontroller ecosystem is still pretty reasonable, but I’m not very familiar with what people actually build software with. I get that the meta now is electron and web apps but that doesn’t really appeal to me. Everything I’ve ever built has been versioned by saving backups of source folders so even though I understand Git I haven’t really used it for my own work. Student projects were simple enough and abstracted the right way that we just used loose files. Stuff like that

I’m probably not pursuing a career pivot into software development but the idea of having personal projects has never faded away. I know it’s far fetched but the early 2010s dream of making a few little apps or games and quitting corporate still appeals to me. Even before the slop era there was far too much fodder to stand out, but hey, I still like making things, I’m not going into it with the expectation of it changing my life.

As LLMs eat up more and more of beginners’ foundational knowledge I don’t quite know exactly how to feel. I think asking for a regex filter in natural language is neat, it’s also something I can immediately verify without messing up my work. But I hesitate to offload much brain power into that kind of tool. I intuitively understand it would probably be very helpful to explain basics, or to offer an explanation for an error the compiler is being obtuse about, but I don’t know. I see this stuff totally melt people’s brains around me. Competent professionals just throwing away their judgment and experience. Even if my use case is what it’s better at doing, I have reservations. I do worry about the future of online documentation of little weird issues if nobody is asking the dumb questions in an open forum.

I guess the trivial solution is just “come up with a project and learn as you go” which is how I’ve done this before, and I’m assuming most of you have too. But I lose all momentum most of the time pretty fast, and a lot of it comes down to frustration with not having the time to debug like I did as a student, not knowing what the obvious libraries are, just plain blanking on when to use a pointer and when to use an address. My brain still thinks in (bad) C++ so I’ll look at my bad python and think huh this looks nothing like the documentation. Ideally I’d like to be decent or at least confident with both, and be decent at winging it in another language when needed.

Not looking for explicit recommendations as much as just seeing what you guys think. If the world economy crashes and I’m out of a job, doing a few projects on my own time might be good for me. Especially at a time when computing feels like it’s being wrestled out of our hands, and when most people are treating computers as magic black boxes again. I swear the interns are somehow worse at navigating an OS than my grandma.

In the short term I should just try to beat The Farmer Was Replaced, but after that I’m all ears

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username_1@discuss.tchncs.de on 12 Jun 09:09 next collapse

Programming per se haven’t any drastic changes in the last 50 years. I suppose the C language was the last important change in the way of how programming was done.

Azzu@leminal.space on 12 Jun 10:27 collapse

Your issues with programming don’t really seem related to programming, more of personal ones. Like for example, if you “don’t have the time for debugging anymore”, why would you have the time to figure out why your clay pot you made came out crooked?

I personally look around what the landscape looks like now and 20 years ago when I started it, and honestly, I can’t see thaaat much different for programming by yourself. Most changes occured in the interaction part of it, not quite knowing if you’re speaking with a human or a LLM. But research and learning still works the same way, maybe a bit more noise, but that had to be filtered out before as well, there was already so much stupidity 20 years ago.

ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 12 Jun 12:00 collapse

This is 100% about the personal side and not the technical stuff, yeah. Is the expectation on this com to mostly talk about technical issues and news?

I was thinking that someone might have been in a similar situation where they had to re-learn a lot of things, even basics, and that it would be of interest to me. I’m more than happy to go through the paces of a beginners’ guide but maybe someone will explicitly say “hey don’t do that, the pace will kill your enthusiasm, try doing this other thing”.

I’m right there with you on the noise not being drastically different from a few years ago, incorrect commenters in stack exchange are/were just as confidently wrong as slop bots. Maybe I should finally make an account on there.

The time for debugging thing is just about the difference between being a full time student who can butt heads against documentation and opaque compiler output and being someone who has to squeeze re-learning into much less time after a workday. I can and do have those nights but it’s not the same at all.