How do you introduce the Fediverse to other people?
from fajre@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 16:36
https://lemmy.world/post/36207252

Guys, when you talk about the Fediverse to friends, family, or colleagues, how do you explain it?

Do you call it a “decentralized social network,” an “alternative to big tech,” or “a collection of open-source networks”? And how do you convince someone to create an account on Mastodon, Lemmy, Pixelfed, etc., without them getting scared by technical terms like instance, federated, or peer-to-peer?

I’m asking because my so-called friends don’t believe me and even call me crazy when I talk about this “nonsense.”

The future is open source, decentralized, and federated!

#nostupidquestions

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trd@feddit.nu on 20 Sep 17:01 next collapse

I have only mentioned the fediverse to one guy I know, and we have many intrest in common, hoe server lab, 3d printing, electronics, automations etc. He looked at me with a smile and called me a nerd…

So I have just accepted that maybe this place isn’t for everyone, maybe they will stumble on to this place when the time is right.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 20 Sep 17:53 collapse

He looked at me with a smile and called me a nerd…

That’s the pot calling the pot “pot”.

hoe server lab

I’m intrigued, do tell more.

trd@feddit.nu on 20 Sep 21:18 collapse

<img alt="" src="https://feddit.nu/pictrs/image/28dbe6b3-5ba6-4af0-9194-0cf7f9f883e6.png">

trd@feddit.nu on 20 Sep 21:19 collapse

Shes more of a bitch than hoe, both got promiscuous tendencys.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 21 Sep 02:06 collapse

At least it’s a lab.

First_Thunder@lemmy.zip on 20 Sep 17:14 next collapse

It’s (insert platform here) for furries, communists and nerds. If I want to explain the basic concept, I talk in terms of phone carriers

Object@sh.itjust.works on 20 Sep 17:48 next collapse

Before anything, I would check if there is an active community they are actually interested in, and give them that. Otherwise, there’s really not much reason why they should use it. It would be like gifting someone a box full of manga to someone who is not interested in Japanese stuff. I’m saying this because a lot of people including OP seems to think decentralisation/federation/FOSSness are some major selling points to a lot of people, but it really isn’t. Content usually is.

It even applies to you too. If an instance banned you for mentioning Linux or FOSS, you wouldn’t really care that they were running open-source Lemmy, you would ditch that instance. If that happened with every instance, you wouldn’t use Lemmy at all.

fajre@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 23:19 collapse

Before anything, I would check if there is an active community they are actually interested in, and give them that. Otherwise, there’s really not much reason why they should use it. It would be like gifting someone a box full of manga to someone who is not interested in Japanese stuff. I’m saying this because a lot of people including OP seems to think decentralisation/federation/FOSSness are some major selling points to a lot of people, but it really isn’t. Content usually is.

It even applies to you too. If an instance banned you for mentioning Linux or FOSS, you wouldn’t really care that they were running open-source Lemmy, you would ditch that instance. If that happened with every instance, you wouldn’t use Lemmy at all.

Now you made me think man!

Pika@sh.itjust.works on 20 Sep 18:07 next collapse

I don’t. I passively mention lemmy when I’m discussing my activities, and if they show interest I go into further detail. They have never shown an interest past “Whats a lemmy”

TheFunkyMonk@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 20:10 collapse

Yeah, I usually joke I’m too hipster for Reddit and use Lemmy when Reddit comes up, and nobody ever asks for more information. I feel like, at least in their current form, federated apps are too complicated/fussy for anyone who isn’t actively interested in moving away from centralized platforms.

Flax_vert@feddit.uk on 20 Sep 18:25 next collapse

I think the best way is just talking about an individual instance

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 19:01 next collapse

“Imagine if social media were run by the people who use it instead of corporations selling ads through engagement at all costs.”

TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip on 20 Sep 19:13 collapse

That’s pretty much the approach I use. Most people already know how terrible Meta is, so building on that sentiment doesn’t take much.

gedaliyah@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 19:04 next collapse

It’s also a good idea to share content without additional context whenever possible. Just send them a link to an interesting post. The more people get used to seeing interesting content on Lemmy, Masto, etc., the more likely they are to think it’s not “weird” and maybe make an account to comment on something.

ultranaut@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 19:06 next collapse

It’s like existing social media they are familiar with except there’s multiple versions run independently which are connected together using a shared protocol.

Contramuffin@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 19:22 next collapse

I would not talk about the technical aspects of the fediverse at all. Most people genuinely don’t care and they’ll immediately ignore everything else you say if you start talking about what federation is.

Instead, the best introduction is to talk about what they will directly experience if they use the fediverse. I would say something like, it’s basically reddit/twitter, but with no ads and not run by a corpo.

Lazylazycat@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 09:41 collapse

I agree, no need to over-complicate anything. I think even describing the fediverse as being like email confuses people. I just say it’s like old reddit but nicer and no ads.

ryan_@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 20:31 next collapse

I use email as an analogy. Most non-tech people are familiar with the idea of there being different email providers so I use that concept to describe the fediverse.

bryndos@fedia.io on 20 Sep 21:02 next collapse

I just message them links using simpleX messenger that they don't use.

pugnaciousfarter@literature.cafe on 20 Sep 21:22 next collapse

This is how I do it.

Brief

Imagine if there were 5 clones of twitter, all owned by different companies, but they could all still talk to each other.

So, a person from Twitter could talk to people from threads and bluesky.

Why do it this way?

  • Each twitter clone could have its own quirks. Like one could have a dislike button where as the rest won’t.
  • If one of the clone owners decides to become a nazi, we can just migrate to another clone.
  • This makes sure power is not concentrated in one place!
  • If the system is open source, you can even start your own version of twitter where you rule!

Don’t care about talking to people on twitter!

But you say “I don’t want to have to talk to people from Twitter!”. Well, doing it this way allows you to choose not to do so. (There’s an option to block clones you don’t like!)

What is fediverse?

It’s the network through which all these different but similar apps can talk to each other.

Social media formats like reddit, twitter and Instagram have been replicated for fediverse and available for people to join or create their own version.

  • Lemmy is a fediverse alternative for reddit, there are 100s of lemmy apps that can talk to each other (or choose not to if they don’t want to).
  • Mastadon is alternative for twitter.
  • And there are more.

To get them to join

Join the biggest instance or join any instance! You can figure out what you want specifically later, easy migration allows that!

But if you want You can read about them before joining: Each is focused on different things like privacy, literature, tech, and even gaming.

Fun Extra

Unlike with instagram and twitter and reddit, fediverse apps like mastadon and lemmy can theoretically talk to each other. So you will be able to see your “tweets” with your “reddit feed”.

Notes

Emphasize pain points and incentives like:

  • being banned for no reason
  • free speech
  • safe spaces
  • like minded people
  • Tighter knit communities
  • Decentralisation, if they’re into some form of socialism or left leaning ideologies.
fajre@lemmy.world on 20 Sep 22:49 collapse

This is how I do it.

Brief

Imagine if there were 5 clones of twitter, all owned by different companies, but they could all still talk to each other.

So, a person from Twitter could talk to people from threads and bluesky.

Why do it this way?

Each twitter clone could have its own quirks. Like one could have a dislike button where as the rest won’t.
If one of the clone owners decides to become a nazi, we can just migrate to another clone.
This makes sure power is not concentrated in one place!
If the system is open source, you can even start your own version of twitter where you rule!

Don’t care about talking to people on twitter!

But you say “I don’t want to have to talk to people from Twitter!”. Well, doing it this way allows you to choose not to do so. (There’s an option to block clones you don’t like!)

What is fediverse?

It’s the network through which all these different but similar apps can talk to each other.

Social media formats like reddit, twitter and Instagram have been replicated for fediverse and available for people to join or create their own version.

Lemmy is a fediverse alternative for reddit, there are 100s of lemmy apps that can talk to each other (or choose not to if they don’t want to).
Mastadon is alternative for twitter.
And there are more.

To get them to join

Join the biggest instance or join any instance! You can figure out what you want specifically later, easy migration allows that!

But if you want You can read about them before joining: Each is focused on different things like privacy, literature, tech, and even gaming.

Fun Extra

Unlike with instagram and twitter and reddit, fediverse apps like mastadon and lemmy can theoretically talk to each other. So you will be able to see your “tweets” with your “reddit feed”.

Notes

Emphasize pain points and incentives like:

being banned for no reason
free speech
safe spaces
like minded people
Tighter knit communities
Decentralisation, if they’re into some form of socialism or left leaning ideologies.

awesome man, thanks a lot!

MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz on 20 Sep 23:31 next collapse

I share posts they’ll like.

Or tell them about communities I’ve found I think they’ll like.

If they ask how to participate I pick an instance for them and just link them direct to the signup page, then show them how to sign in in an app.

That way there is basically no jargon. No complexity. If they sign up, they do so out of genuine interest for the content. If they ask what federation is, I explain. But the neat thing is, you don’t really need to know about it to have a good experience on the fediverse.

Plus when people see the @ with a url, they kinda just naturally get that it’s like email. They notice that it’s part of a users “address” and that it differentiates users, but they don’t really think about it past that.

Us being here for ideological reasons is extremely unusual. Most people don’t make decisions that way.

Besides. If you find good content FIRST and sign up to engage with it second, it is so much easier to become and remain a regular user.

johnwicksdog@aussie.zone on 21 Sep 08:57 next collapse

I say it’s like reddit when it was smaller and less obnoxious. If they inquire more, I discuss federation by describing email. I mostly try to sell that people are nicer and you start to know your netisan compatriots. I haven’t been successful in convincing anyone to join as far as I know.

SuperApples@lemmy.world on 21 Sep 09:14 next collapse

I say it’s like Reddit but with more Star Trek and less everything else.

obsoleteacct@lemmy.zip on 22 Sep 14:11 next collapse

Me: Imagine reddit for left wing, privacy obsessed, Linux nerds.

Anyone else: I really don’t want to.

/scene

fajre@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 01:57 collapse

Me: Imagine reddit for left wing, privacy obsessed, Linux nerds.

Anyone else: I really don’t want to.

/scene

lmao

NovaSel@lemmy.world on 22 Sep 17:42 next collapse

I still don’t really understand it tbh. I just know it’s not a corpo and I’ve never seen an ad on it, and for me those are wins

Got my first ad (or at least, the first I noticed) after submitting this. How ironic

fajre@lemmy.world on 23 Sep 01:56 collapse

Got my first ad (or at least, the first I noticed) after submitting this. How ironic

lol

J52@lemmy.nz on 22 Sep 22:52 collapse

Most are too lazy/incompetent to inform themselves and stumble already on the ‘having to chose an instance’ as something to put into the too hard basket.