Which one is selected? The "Yes" option or the "No" option?
from andrewta@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 21:32
https://lemmy.world/post/18978191
from andrewta@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 23 Aug 21:32
https://lemmy.world/post/18978191
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If you’re genuinely asking… the yes option. But that is indeed a shitty ass UI.
My answer comes from the “thumb print” effect - that radial shadow pattern is supposed to remind the user of their finger partially blocking the light on an illuminated button.
I think the radial shadow pattern is actually supposed to evoke the edges of the hollow in which the button is depressed, but otherwise I agree with you 100%.
Also the “no” has the yellow reflection from the graphic above, implying its projecting out.
✨_affordances!_✨
“yes” is selected, it looks pressed in
The “yes” is selected.
It looks like the ui designer didn’t know how scaling works for images
Press left. If nothing changes, then Yes is selected.
You’d be surprised how many shitty UIs x-wrap navigation when there are only two options.
Is the play here to always make sure there are at least three options anywhere?
Sadly keep pressing left they just cycle back and forth
Fucking of course. Leave it to such a dev to ensure no logical method can work the problem.
I'd say yes, but I did have to look at it closely. Plus the assumption that it would probably default to continuing.
I think we need to know what the UI looks like before a selection has been made, or what it looks like when the curser is over each option. The ‘interface’ part is lost by a single screen shot.
No selection was made by me. It showed up with one of them being white and one being black. Can’t remember which side was which. But keep pressing left on the remote and they just cycle back and forth. This is on a bluray player.
When you’re not using a pointer interface (mouse or, awkwardly, wii-mote) it’s extremely rare for the UI to ever be in a neutral (nothing selected) state. Since you’d always be navigating relatively (go right, down, up, or left) instead of absolutely (go to pixel 753x1034) there always must be some point of reference for that movement.
Once in a blue moon you’ll see a menu where your initial selected position is something like “before the first item” so when you press right in a horizontal selector you actually move from nothing selected to the first thing selected and it’s almost always a terrible UX. If you set up such an interface you’re accepting that every action will require an extra useless click and that users entering the state freshly (i.e. you reach this screen then walk away and your partner is the next person to see it) will be confused about where in the action they are. You’re also accepting responsibility for what will happen if the user confirms without ever actually making a selection which will usually require some (again, utterly unnecessary) dialog box asking the user to try again but this time actually select an action.
Relative navigation having a neutral/unselected state is almost always a mistake.
You should post this in the group assholedesign. This is genuinely so bad it’s infuriating.
Kind of more crappydesign than assholedesign, but yes.
Really? Literally everyone in this thread figured it correctly as yes. So it’s really not that bad.
I didnt
Alright I’ll reiterate my statement to exclude people who are literally blind.
Well that was unnecessary. Maybe go back to reddit
Welcome to the Internet
I was on the Internet before the www existed. Quit excusing your shitty behaviour
No you weren’t.
I was, you arrogant asshole
Highly doubt it.
On what basis? You really are doublibg down on being a jerk. Why come to Lenmy if you just want to carry on the shitty behaviour you could enjoy at Reddit?
I just find that highly unlikely, and you’re widely known as a liar.
Ironic and hypocritical given that youre lying right now. As much fun as your bad faith bs is, I’m done.
What you’re saying is impossible and everyone knows it. You’re hurting the people around you.
It’s been at least 3 hours now. Which was it?
I had the yes set to white and the movie started over.
Oh no! Guessing you wanted to resume?
Yup. But at least I had set a bookmark. Although the interface for selecting a bookmark isn’t any better.
To me is the yes since it has a different color than the window it comes in.
The one that always gets me is GNOME’s screen sharing portal.
<img alt="a screenshot of the screen sharing dialog." src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/17069da0-4673-4988-9e7d-ab756b297f01.png">
There is this outline around the “Application Window” tab which makes it seem selected. I use this UI multiple times a week and I need to pause for a sec every single time. I always think “I want to share a window”, “oh it is already selected” then stare at the monitors for a while before I realize why I can’t understand what I am looking at.
If they did the exact opposite of this, I think it would look ok. If I was trying to fix this, I would probably just swap the styles of the selected and deselected states. Maybe it’s a miscommunication between designers and implementers, causing the meanings to be swapped?
I don’t think it is that simple. I think that outline is about the “focus”. So if I press enter it will activate that tab, if I press tab it will move the focus to the “Entire Screen” tab.
The UX issue is that there are two concepts of focus in this UI. There is “which tab is active” and “what UI element will pressing enter activate”. These two are not sufficiently differentiated which leads to a confusing experience.
Or maybe there can just be no keyboard focus indicator by default, but that may be annoying for keyboard power users. But this is generally how it works on the web, you have to press tab once to move keyboard focus to the first interactive element.
Right, that makes sense as well. What I was thinking is that the use of the accent colour shows which one is active, though it would probably be less confusing if this wasn’t done with an outline. See the KDE version for example:
<img alt="Screenshot of the KDE screen sharing portal, showing “Screens” and “Windows” tabs, where the selected tab has a horizontal accent colour line above it." src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/6e4c7a82-2a71-4f75-82d5-e2bb665a5a3b.png">
Regarding keyboard navigation, I could see this working similarly to radio buttons, where the tab key selects the entire tab group, and tabs need to be navigated using the arrow keys. In this case I think it makes sense to put the focus border around only the selected option, and having the focus border follow the selected option when arrow keys are used. If this is the case, I think swapping the current version does make sense.
Yeah. I like old school tabs that were clearly attached to the thing that they switched. I definitely prefer the KDE UX here.
Sadly KDE is also trying out the “modern” style tabs in some places too:
<img alt="Screenshot of the top of the KDE keyboard system settings page, showing 3 large buttons which act as tabs" src="https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c63debc6-1821-442f-a9af-358616831134.png">
Easy, you just press right and see if the option moves.
Oh wait that just toggles between them. I’ve never used whatever this is, but you know it does.
Actually I had to guess as to the correct answer was. I guessed wrong and the movie started over
Not a great UI but honestly the yes looks pressed in the 3d meaning of the word.
So it’s not terrible
Funny. I thought the No was selected
I think that might be because modern UI tends to move away from 3d and insted highlights the selected button (making it lighter in color)
Yeah I think that’s the problem here. Older uis leant into the faux 3d thing whereas modern designs are mostly flat/minimal
Bring back skeumorphism
Oh god no! =)
Good UI is severely underrated, and it makes you somehow feel dumb when it’s bad.
I hate those widgets! I’ve had this exact problem many times before
Are you sure you want to cancel?
How anyone developing an interface thinks that is a good idea is beyond me, but I am convinced they are doing multiple lines every morning.
y e s