So if we're just good with careening into fascism 2.0 what does the future look like?
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Violent protests probably. Even republicans don’t want fascism. But there is nothing we can do without a hero assassin… At least 3 of them actually.
Might wanna check how long the line of succession is
It’s starting to look like the movie “Desperado” (or perhaps the entire “El Mariachi” trilogy)
can’t wait till the dude with chain gun in the
briefguitar case comes to save the day…yeah goes through every secretary.
The French figured out how to solve that particular problem hundreds of years ago. Guillotines are efficient and reusable.
this is what the fascists want. any excuse whatsoever to declare martial law, impose curfews, ‘papers, please’ checkpoints, and ‘papers, please’ thugs going door to door, looking for anyone they don’t like so they can send them to the concentration camp.
thoughtcrime doesn’t entail death, thoughtcrime is death
We’re already at the thoughtcrime stage…
Funny how Republicans online were the ones crying about that, but now they’re salivating at the idea of deporting Mamdani for the crime of being a socialist. Can’t have those political opinions, that’s wrongthink!
He's not a socialist.
In fascist USA anyone not actively licking the boot of a billionaire is a socialist!
Yeah that's the problem with American exceptionalists getting to redefine language: it doesn't work outside our walled garden, regardless whether the fruit is nourishment or poisonous.
He calls himself one, do you have cause to doubt it?
I have cause to believe USA makes up their own meanings of words that has nothing to do with the rest of the world meaning. You can interpret that how you will.
I’m talking about Mamdani specifically though. Or are you just assuming that based on your feelings about the US in general?
And? I live here. I like Mamdani. That doesn't change the veracity of what I said. Perhaps your own feelings preclude that.
I guess that’s a yes. I was genuinely curious to hear the case that he’s not a socialist but it doesn’t seem you have much basis for this opinion.
Last I heard, he was calling himself soc Dem or Dem soc, both of which uphold the capitalist class. He's proposing good work to make a few inroads but not proposing his potential constituency own the means of production which is the definition of socialism.
For the record, he’s a democratic socialist, not a social democrat. These are distinct, though related movements. The difference between them, which you seem confused about, is that socialists do not uphold the capitalist class, despite your claims. Social democrats want to retain capitalism, while democratic socialists do not.
However, democratic socialists do have differences of opinion with more radical socialists on the best way to achieve the socialized means of production they aim for. They favor reform over revolution.
You are welcome to disagree with this view but it’s not a good reason to view their socialism as false or insincere.
No need to reply, since we already established that you’re not interested in good faith discourse. But I couldn’t leave this misinformation unchallenged.
Here, since you can't be bothered: https://www.britannica.com/question/What-does-socialism-mean
Western source.
I know what socialism means. I wanted to hear your interpretation of the facts regarding Mamdani, since this is a contentious topic, and socialism is a broad tradition. But I see now it was a waste of time to expect serious discourse from you.
Good. Do your work bc I'm busy rn doing mine. Obviously that's the definition, which is obviously mine since reading about the US definition not being the definition is too much effort for you.
I keep hearing this so often "they will take any opportunity to declare martial law" this so often its starting to sound like autogenocide
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Better check your phone bro, I think they might be spying.
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i thought @Asafum knew, Asafum was waving at the wall just yesterday so i took a pic
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yeah, that’s a weak reason against violent protests. stronger ones are:
btw cops love violent protests. they get to kill maim and torture more people than usual. it’s what many of them signed up for and look forward to with excitement. sometimes they have off duty cops in plain clothes infiltrating protesters to start the carnage. all it takes is throwing one stone near a collegue with shield and helmet to give him an excuse to go on a rampage against innocent protesters, while the infiltrator sneaks off
Non-violent ones are more effective, as per some study I saw a month or so back.
There is an agenda in convincing people that non violence works. Take a real look at how unions and civil rights actually happened. The non violent get credit after the fact to control the narrative.
Cops like it when it’s them being violent. They don’t do much when the opposition is armed and not concentrated in one small easily controlled area.
I really love this meme. The self-defeating attitude that's been perpetuated by team Dem of "We've tried nothing that could potentially be useful and are all out of ideas!” has been swallowed wholesale, by us. Will getting ourselves out of this trap be painful, disfiguring for some, deadly for others? Sure. The other option is self-suffocating, slowly. Drowning by self-waterboarding.
That’s not a reason to avoid resistance. They created the situation. The violence is on them. Hopefully, literally.
You can show up to a protest armed to the fucking teeth without firing off a single round. That’s how those anti lockdown fucks got what they wanted in 2020 (and one of many reasons why COVID exploded).
don’t act like they’re not going to do that anyway. if no one rises up and does real damage, they’ll stage something and enact martial law
They said it before trump was sworn in. It will be a bloodless coup of the left allows it. The options are fascism or fight.
They don’t? How can you tell?
Well fascist were socialist and socialism is communism, so obviously.
/s
Am I missing some elementary knowledge? How is fascism resemblant to socialism?
I think they’re making a joke (what with the /s), but some people will say that since “Nazi” is derived from “national socialist” it’s a form of socialism. Usually people making that claim are arguing in bad faith and/or are grossly misinformed.
A “Trump Boat Parade” in Jupiter, Florida, on Sunday was joined by neo-Nazis waving swastika flags, shouting “White Power,” “Heil Trump,” and “Make America White Again!”
What’s been truly revolting is in watching how many liberals have jumped on the fascism bus. Kristen Gillibrand is fully in bed with the Silicon Valley techno-fascists. Richie Torries can’t get enough genocide, whether its via our migrant concentration camps at home or our outsourcing of genocide to the Middle East via Israel and Saudi Arabia. Sitting Democrat NYC Mayor Eric Adams has gone all in on MAGA, after receiving pardons for his chronic misuse of public office and funds from the President. Gavin Newsom is flirting with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon as a podcast host. Half the 2026 Texas Dem Congressional slate is fully in favor of turning the US/Mexico border into the new Iron Curtain. The Florida Democratic Party wants a Bay of Pigs 2.
It’s Italy in 1924 all over again. Oops! All fascists.
Yeah people thinking the Democratic Party is going to save them are delusional IMO. They are part of it and many of them have been working towards the same goal. They are a false opposition at best. Not all of them, some of them are legit, like Bernie, and look how he has been treated by the Dem establishment. Any real resistance is marginalized.
I thought the dems could save us in 2016. I then believed they would save us in 2020. The last chance I gave them was 2024.
Ill vote in their direction only in the hopes they can hit the brakes but, overall, they prove again and again they enable this shit and take no interest in stopping it.
I have been voting against Republicans for nearly 30 years and still have yet to see Dems hit the brakes. They do let off the gas some of the time, and since they are the only ones who have a chance of winning they get the vote by default.
If voting wasn’t so quick and easy where I live it would be difficult to convince myself to put in the effort. It should be this easy everywhere.
That’s why you gotta primary out the ones that don’t actually do their job. Like if it’s too late to primary one out then yeah vote for the dem over the overt fascist but that’s a last resort. If you have the time, check and see if any actually good candidates are running in the primaries and see if you can volunteer and help them out with their campaign. Obviously not everyone has the time or ability, but every little bit helps if you can
Primary them all. They’re all wet sacks.
You guys are so delusional. You could replace every sitting Dem in congress right now with your hand picked candidates, and literally NOTHING would be different. How many times does this need to be said, YOU NEED 60 VOTES IN THE SENATE! Without 60 votes, you’re not getting transformative change. You can thank your red state voters for that.
=/ I get that.
The problem i diagnose is the democrats dont care to go after 60 seats. They are all too happy fighting over a plurality and maintaining the status quo. Its not inspired and will only ever edge you out wins as you fight over the same demographics that all hate you.
I understand that, and I agree. We do need Dems in Congress that will always push for progressive legislation and fight back against conservative nonsense. The issue is, there’s a vast amount of people in this country that want to do the opposite, and in most cases, we’re outnumbered in that regard. You have to VOTE, we have to WIN! Even a moderate Democrat can be pushed towards progressive reform. A conservative Republican will never.
Biden’s BBB was 2 votes away from becoming a reality, unfortunately, it failed. But 10 years prior to that in 2011, it might’ve been 6-9 votes away. WERE MAKING PROGRESS. But everytime republicans gain control, our progress is put on hold or reversed. We can’t allow them to keep winnning.
You need 51 votes. The 60 is a self made rule they can change, just like the filibuster.
Bernie’s Independent, not a Democrat.
It’s really telling that every time somebody wants to point out that some Democrats are still decent, they cite an Independent
Scratch a lib...
Leftist being nice to the right is always a sight to see
Leftist aren’t. Dems are. The dems have been a right wing party since at least Clinton (I’m not old enough to remember Jimmy)
Yes they do.
No they don’t lol. The maga cult does. But actual thinking republicans don’t want it.
In other words, 0 Republicans don’t want it.
Lots of Republicans don’t like trump anymore. Lowest approved president of all time.
… wishful thinking.
Easily accessible knowledge
Im choking, choking, on the miasma of stupidity you exude.
I would like that to be true, but I don’t think the numbers really support it, at least for the approval rating:
He was 6th lowest approved president ever for his first term, but that was with an approval rating of 34%, which is lower than it is currently. Bottom 3 are Truman, Nixon, and Bush, with 22,24,25% respectively.
Wario, Yoshi, and Dinkey King? (Could’ve been Diddy Kong, but I think he’s been having some legal issues or something lately…)
I didn’t even know he knew Kid Cudi, either.
Only 3? Found the optimist!
Um, sorry but have you been paying attention for the last eight years?
The people left in the GOP are driving at full speed towards a fascist dictatorship. It’s not Trump, it’s the entire cadre of sycophants and Nazis he’s set up to protect him.
Laura Loomer’s “Alligator lives matter” didn’t suggest that? Nor the fact that she was celebrating the creation of a new concentration camp to round up and possibly murder ALL Latinos in the US? (And selling merch to go with it!)
What about Kristi Noem filming propaganda in front of cages full of prisoners in El Salvador?
The six SCOTUS judges who are eagerly giving Trump every immunity and power he wants?
Ron DeSantis creating a second one-stop deportation centre?
The US Republican Party ARE fascists, and are ecstatic over how things are turning out.
If you call yourself a Republican and are against this, you’re either a hypocrite, or a liar.
Look to the past for a view of our future.
Eventually, the world will get tired of our shit and do something about it. It will not be pretty. Mainly economic suffocation…. That’s the only way the rest of the world can hurt the US.
We’re suffocating ourselves just fine
Given how well that worked with Russia, yeah don't expect much help.
The world’s boycott of Russia resulted in Chinese brands getting a super strong foothood there. Shows how important maintaining a country’s manufacturing base is.
Eventually we will get tired of our shit and do something about it. TF would others help us while we refuse to help ourselves? The rest of the world will contain us, much to the sociopathic capitalist class' delight.
Except y’all have nuclear weapons and the rest of us mostly don’t. When you’re done with your local genocides the US will inevitably turn outwards for a scapegoat.
I think the book The Fourth Turning and its sequel talk about this.
If your curious what the right is pushing for go ahead and check out The Turner Diaries.
If you actually finish the book, wait for your rage to subside then arm yourself.
Let me guess. They rape women.
Turner Diaries is a white nationalist screed about overthrowing the US government to install a fascist dictatorship that starts a nuclear war and begins a systematic purge and execution of all non-whites, Jews, and any “race traitors” who view those groups as anything other than scum
It’s vile beyond words
I tend to believe a society that turns inward on itself will only ever turn inward on itself until its completely gone.
In all likelihood the first bomb going off would be the end of it all. Anarchy. Destruction of every social contract.
I skipped to the last two words of your comment months ago.
So I actually just kinda answered this as a “joke” in another thread, but essentially:
The future: fascists, racist robots, billionaires, more fascists, bombing civilians, cutting science funding, the earth is on fire, more fascists, cutting HIV study funding, more racist robots, gutting artistic employment, more billionaires, fried donuts.
Oh boy donuts
Brain drain. It’s already started. Academics, scientists, and researchers are moving to Canada or Europe to do their work. As shit gets worse, the upper and middle classes will start to do the same. The underprivileged and undereducated will fight for the scraps of what’s left.
Actually the lower class has a bit better chance. If you have no home to sell or money to transfer over leaving is a bit easier. If you have enough to set yourself up and then sell what you have that makes it easy. So its like people barely affording their mortgages or have decent jobs that would be hard to replace that get stuck until its to late.
gtfo
In what world does having no money make it easier to move to another country?
Its easier because your costs are forward rather than in arears. You can't move before you sell the house because then you will have to pay on it while your trying to figure out expenses in a new place. You need to sell it for more than you owe and you will then need to find temporary housing where you will not have any costs if you need to leave at any particular time which tends to be more expensive. You will need to downsize to a backpacker level as part of this. Not just you but your family. Then you will be applying to try to get somewhere else which may or may not happen. You can start that before but then you might just have to abandon everything. If one has nothing to lose the process is easier. Similarly if you want to have a similar lifestyle in the new country you will have to find an equivalent and likely harder to find job in the new country.
Bud, I can't even afford to get my car fixed to make it to the closest border. The thought of having a house to sell is a dream.
This. I don’t think a lot of people understand the level of impoverishment we actually have.
Moving is expensive, especially to another country. Assets or not.
War.
V for Vendetta, but without V to help save us from ourselves.
The (significantly delayed) Bell Riots.
I often wondered how nazi germany happened given the democracy and find myself caught up in the process despite my best efforts and the efforts of many people I know.
The only efforts that matter going forward is for people now to give up their own comfort to secure the future for others. Either we trust each other with our lives or we forfeit our futures to authoritarian rule. I maybe only have another 30-40 years left. 20 years of “healthy” living. Its not me who’s losing out big.
Id happily donate those years to a cause that was real and not just talk. If my only choice is to lead it myself, fine, but someone needs to start following.
I don't think people need to give up comfort. At least not to any reasonable level. We need to make it so that we are doing things efficiently. Passive housing using geothermal/solar/wind and such. People able to afford to live where they can be carless.
The comfortable will never rebel. No one is going to give you those things and we can’t build them without dismantling the current system. You’re going to have to get supremely uncomfortable in order to give others the possibility of having those things at some indeterminate time in the future or face a dystopian future so bleak that it will make The Hunger Games seem like a fun vacation. Either way, comfort is rapidly fading from the picture.
Thats not people giving up comfort, that is them losing it. Nobody will rebel due to self sacrifice. Many act to rebel from loss of things that don't directly cause discomfort but they have the cognitive ability to see the long term consequences that will come of it.
there are very rich and powerful people who spend all of their ‘working’ time actively fighting against those things. They (clearly) would sooner support the construction of the fourth reich in america than give up profit streams like energy/housing/automotive.
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Bull. I don’t even get to have a double jump implant installed but I still have to deal with corpofascism. This is all a total rip-off.
Things are going to get real fucky.
Those in power will be unable to trust each other and their employees even less. We may end up living where we work.
Diseases will be widespread, and no care will be offered to anyone but the privileged.
Famine, likely entirely manufactured, will cause massive amounts of starvation.
Modern conveniences will be slowly lost. Cars will be falling apart because no one can afford mechanics, and the lack of vehicle regulations leads to excessive accidents.
Planes will break up midaire. Widespread blackouts when shit goes sideways. Forget about medicine.
Waterways will be polluted beyond what can be boiled. Breathing in big cities will be hazardous. They will say “efficiency” but not one instance of efficiency will be observable.
Kids showing academic excellence will be abducted and sent to special indoctrination schools so that they can only benefit the regime.
Women will have rights removed. All men will have to do a two year duty in war. Church attendance will be reported to the government.
I have more ideas but I’ll stop there
I think No Church Attendance will be reported
Criticism, questioning, ambiguity, or hesitance will also be reported.
damn homie are you the heritage foundation
I mean I could be. 13 year old me thought of most of this stuff during his hormonal days
Strikes me that you’ve forgotten about the rest of the world.
The rest of the world isn’t coming to help as long as we only hurt those within our borders. No one stood up to the Nazis until they started moving on other countries, even though they were already known to be committing atrocities. The rest of the world is just going to cut us off and let us burn, most of the world hates the U.S. and only plays nice for economic and military reasons.
That’s true, but some of your dystopian ideas require the entire planet to fall into collapse and ruin. Eventually the odds are pretty good that the rest of the world (assuming we’re in decent shape ourselves) will start to provide humanitarian aide to the US.
And stating that “most of the world hates the U.S.” is definitely a sign that you don’t quite understand how we feel about the US.
I guess I’ve just given up and assume everyone would just cut us off. I’ve really only seen negativity twords the US, so that colors my view. There’s also my buddy from Japan who advised me to say I was Canadian when traveling internationally due to the negativity he’s seen directed at the US when he’s traveling Asia and Europe.
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
People have been radicalised by radical leftism this is just the pendulum swinging back the other way.
Lol. If you are in the us you have no idea what leftism is
It always amazes me how radical leftism keeps moving further right. Once upon a time radical leftism meant UBI and immediate radical action on climat change. Now ‘radicall’ leftism is anything left of squads of armed men kidnapping people off the street.
I’d call direct calls for socialist and marxist policies extreme left. As well as extreme political correctness (a soviet term look up the history of it). If u call average people Nazi fascists enough eventually they will agreeing with you and become that.
Socialism is basically Centrist
I’m in Australia I have the goddamn flag in my username.
“We” are not good with it. But if you’re American you might be, yeah.
The door is shutting. Might want to stick your foot in the gap before they lock it behind them.
We’re not good with it and we hope it’s not too late to turn it around. And no, I don’t know how so there’s no point asking me.
Death, mostly death.
A big ol pile of shit.