Why are there so many Christmas songs, yet hardly any New Year's ones?
from OmegaMouse@pawb.social to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 16 Dec 15:43
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from OmegaMouse@pawb.social to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 16 Dec 15:43
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I can think of one - auld lang syne. Are there any others? Why not? If anything, New Year’s is celebrated by everyone whereas Christmas isn’t.
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From what country are you? I don’t know a single Christmas song (except for some strictly religious shit), but I think I could recall a few New Year-related (they’re mostly for children, though)
Seth MacFarlane (Yes, that Seth MacFarlane) has a pair of Christmas Albums, with classic non-religious Christmas songs.
I’m from the UK. Whereabouts are you from, to have never heard a christmas song?
I’m from Ukraine (Eastern Europe) and never heard a christmas song except for a part of some cult festive events.
Oh that’s interesting to hear! What new year’s songs do you know then?
Some songs from cartoons and movies? I think I could recall a few. No idea how they are called, of course :)
In Britain, especially from the 1970s to 2000s, there was always a race to be the #1 charting song at Christmas, and songs with a Christmas theme often won out, even if they were otherwise secular pop songs. This means that over the years, we've ended up with probably a hundred of them ranging in quality from terrible to great.
America have followed suit. Or else, they might argue they started it with songs like "White Christmas" and "Silver Bells".
This is largely down to the more permissive secular and Protestant Christian societies where irreverence is tolerated if not encouraged.
The Catholic and Orthodox churches are less tolerant of those sorts of things, so people in countries with heavy influence from those churches - like yourself - won't have had anything like it.
You slightly missed with your reasoning of my case: Ukraine is an exUSSR republic where religion wasn’t actually encouraged, so we don’t have any secular traditions about religious events. But because of the hardships of life, religion has crept back during the last 30 years and so have religious songs and traditions. As a result, Christmas is a purely religious event here, and it is interesting only for religious people.
I think the point is when it came to secular things pertaining to Christmas, the church would have said "No", and the state would have gone along with that, even if most people weren't religious.
The same happens everywhere, regardless of religion or how prominent it is. If you attempt to do something that the elders of a religion say are offensive to that religion, the state will discourage it, and so people don't bother in the first place.
Because New Years isn’t about boosting sales of consumer goods.
Fireworks I guess?
And plastic champagne glasses. And those l little headbands with the year on top.
Pretty limited compared to Xmas though.
Don't forget the year glasses! Although those peaked in the 2000s (with a resurgence in 2020)
2002 was the ultimate
And gym memberships.
Christmas is more of an industry than a holiday, thus all the products and goods made to market it.
Lots of Christmas songs are actually just winter songs.
Frosty the snowman
Jingle bells
Winter wonderland
Sleigh ride
That’s true, but you don’t really hear them being played once christmas is over
After three months, we’re ready for them to go.
Especially if you work retail
Jingle bells and sleigh ride reference modern christmas traditions (Santa)
They reference sleighs because they are (were) a practical and fun way of getting around in winter. Sleighs are associated with Santa but the songs aren’t about his sleigh.
Jingle Bells was originally drinking song, not related to Christmas at all.
Nope, it was written for a minstrel show, to mock black folks. The songwriter later moved south to join the confederacy.
At least according to Wikipedia, the original The One Horse Open Sleigh was possibly intended as a drinking song. That’s also what I heard from someone I know, so that’s what stuck with me.
And its ugly cousin, Jingle Bell Rock. “Dancin’ and prancin’” is clearly a reference to Santa’s reindeer, but it has enough plausible deniability that it could be argued it’s not strictly a Christmas song.
I’m willing to bet that people aren’t playing those songs in southern hemisphere winter.
I think they might. We should find someone from Dunedin.
Nope, we only play them in summer at Christmas time. It’s weird when you think about it, but it’s totally normal at the same time.
Semisonic — “This Will Be My Year”
The Mountain Goats — “This Year”
Counting Crows — “Long December”
Kutless — “Vow”
Ohh a good selection, thanks!
For other non-X-mas winter songs, consider:
The Head & the Heart — “Winter Song”
Dar Williams — “February”
Tacocat — “Snow Day”
More so than Christmas, perhaps—but you still have people with different calendars (Chinese, Jewish, Muslim, etc.).
That’s a good point. I wonder if there are many songs dedicated to new year for people following those calendars?
Just guessing but you (and I) probably have a euro centric view of it.
We are only listening to songs in English by artists that are western individuals.
I bet if we look at songs in asia and Africa it’s a different story
Taylor Swift - New Years Day
I think Christmas is just a bigger event. Christmas has work Christmas parties, some holidays, family gatherings, gifts, etc etc spanning usually the whole month of December. New Years is just one evening which is usually just spent with a few friends or family and requires nothing special except staying up late.
Yes I think you’re right - there’s a lot of lead-up to christmas and it’s usually a time where you come together over a few days. Whereas NYE is one evening, and it doesn’t involve special food or presents etc. (just lots of booze)
I heard once that in the early days of printing (and literacy) most of Europe’s reading material was made for or by the church. And one of the things that was very popular at various points in the 16th century were books of hymns, many of which contained old latin hymns turned Christmas carols. It doesn’t explain the lack of New Years songs, but it may be why we continue to have so many Christmas songs compared to every other holiday.
I mean, for a lot of people the lunar new year is more significant than the solar new year.
In any case, I guess it’s twofold—the proximity of xmas and solar new year mean that a lot of christmas songs double as new years songs, and also that there’s more culture and tradition associated with christmas than with the solar new year.
Does "We wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year" count for both?
It does, but it’s only good for up to Dec. 25th. After that it can’t be used as a New Year’s song.
Just change it to We Wished You…
The Perfect Year sung by Dina Carroll, perhaps? It's my new year's song.
A compilation of like bunch of Cantonese songs that adds up to over an hour long: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZkPjt_Ug6s
You asked for it, now you’re required to add this to your playlist, and you must play this during lunar new years xD
Now my fellow cultists: go spread the Cantonese language 😁
Anyways... My Wall of Text story... kinda off on a tangent from this question...
I’ll be honest, I kinda hate holiday songs… I recognize some of these new year songs… reminds me of being over at relatives house, like big family gathering, in NYC, adults just talking and cousins playing with their phome or Nintendo DS or whatever, and I just sit there bored. And the whole 紅包 “Red Envelope” thing is a sham, you don’t get to keep the money, parents always just tell you to give it to them to “hold on to it”. I sometimes just refuse to accept the 紅包, and just said “just give it to mom” like bluntly (I wasn’t supposed to do that)… like wtf is this show of “giving 紅包” for lol. Is the gods watching? And so I was always there alone. Not alone, but my older brother was there but he speaks Taishanese and talks to the older relatives and idk he kinda just “fits in”, I mostly keep to myself and don’t like talking to anyone. I felt kinda unwelcomed. My aunts (dad’s sisters) talk to me, but I always felt kinda the vibe is weird. They’re form Hong Kong and kinda talk to me in a weird combination of Canto-glish (mix of Cantonese and English) like a Hong Konger… so it felt so weird lol… like I just had trust issues… acts wayyy tol friendly, felt kinda insincere, or maybe just too extroverted and I felt like I need room to breathe as an introvert. The aunt’s kids, my cousins, I feel like they hate me or something… They are all just ABCs (“American-Born Chinese”, it’s a slang term) and I feel like we never connected… like language barriers sort of, they barely speak Cantonese… One of the cousins even bullied me when I first got here. It took a while before English became my primary language, and by that time, the first impressions were already set and the awkwardness and alienation is alreay stored in memory forever… And now we don’t live in the same city anymore… so its forever, can’t be friends due to first impression. Those kids think they’re so superior with their birthright citizenship and learned English earlier from the start. Heh, I speak more languages than they do, bunch of bullies and losers. So yea… holiday songs are forever ruined. As for x-mas songs, I barely had any “friends” in school… so yeah… holiday songs reminded me of lonliness. I remember once during like the afterschool program, I had sensory issues and like the music annoyed me so much, like it hurts my ears, so loud. So I went and turned it off (I was like 8 or 9 years old okay). Bitch white-lady karen teacher got pissed at me and marked me as misbehaving on the stupid behavior chart… so I got banned from the next school trip… fucking bitch. Also its afterschool, why does the behavior chart even apply outside school hours? So yea… what a childhood… such a foreign place…
Because we all actually hate New Years.
It’s usually not classified this way, but I consider 99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall a New Year’s song. It combines two of the main NYE traditions – alcohol and counting backwards.
“What are you doing New Years, New Years Eve?” Its a jazz standard.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p597VDvsekc
I’m french Canadian and we have plenty of “rigaudon” for the new year.
By most accounts, 25 Dec as a day in the calendar is a historical accident. The boy was probably not born in winter. Calendar problems, ancient Roman holidays, and the proximity to the winter solstice made this a historical game of telephone until a pope just set it in stone (some orthodox churches don’t agree but January is probably only marginally more correct for his birthday).
Traditionally, Christmas lasted so long it usurped solar new years. On the 8th day of Christmas my sweetheart gave to me … a shitload of weird stuff. Mostly birds, for some reason.
Correct me if I’m wrong here but isn’t in UK English “Christmas” still used to describe the whole year end period encompassing the year change. To me they are two close but still separate events with a bit of decorational overlap. So I understand your question why there aren’t more New Years songs. But the answer may simply be: history and tradition. People tolerate Christmas tunes until the 31st and then they’re all cheered out. And NY for most is just a reminder that it’s back to work now.
This is an mostly a cultural thing, other cultures do have plenty of songs about the New Year
Auld Lang Syne is a banger.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERcRT90P9E