What age gap is too big of an age gap if someone's in their early 30's?
from frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:31
https://lemmings.world/post/32976513

Obviously I’m talking about two adults, I’m just wondering when it goes from okay to “a bit iffy”, either older or younger

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fletcher_bosom@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:34 next collapse

Half the older age plus 7.

A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:35 next collapse

Half your age +7 years. 30yo can date 22yo.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:51 collapse

I don’t think a 20 year old should date a 17 year old though

TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website on 27 Aug 21:56 next collapse

A 10 year old can only date 12 year old and older. I don’t make the rules

thebustinater@lemmy.zip on 28 Aug 01:13 collapse

But the 12 year old can only date 13 year old and older, so the 10 year old is out of luck…

TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 19:37 collapse

No dating before 14.

spankmonkey@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:08 next collapse

The high school to college transition makes things complicated for reasons other than just ages.

PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 07:04 collapse

America-centric. Other countries split the education path in different sections.

paultimate14@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:17 next collapse

They could be in a similar phase of life. I was still 17 when I started college and had a full-time job. A 20 year old could still be in high school if they were held back. This is kind of the range where you can start counting months or talking about how different school systems have different cutoff dates that can mess with things.

I would not recommend 20 year olds and 17 year olds date in general. But it’s very possible for two people of those ages to date without being creepy or having problems.

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 23:04 collapse

Yeah I meant like legally. Statutory rape and all.

Rivalarrival@lemmy.today on 28 Aug 01:46 collapse

Romeo and Juliet laws are fairly common. 24 states allow a 2 to 5 year age difference. AFAIK, federal law allows up to a 4-year age difference.

The other 26 seem kinda stupid. Two kids can be in the same class and dating since 6th grade, but for 6 months in their senior year, it’s rape. How does that make sense?

SolidShake@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 03:13 collapse

There’s gotta be some stricter “rules”. Because 19 dating 15 would be weeeeiiiiiird. It’s always iffy because the older you get. The larger the gap is acceptable. Like 25-10 is gross AF right. But 55-40 isn’t a huge deal.

(Saying “25-10 is gross” and getting downvoted for it is concerning on so many levels. You know who you are you fucking weirdo

starman2112@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 10:36 collapse

Nobody’s downvoting your for saying 25 and 10 is gross, they’re downvoting you because you’re bringing up irrelevant nonsense. 19 and 15 is weird, but I’d rather see that 19 year old go free than make a 19 year old register as a sex offender because he slept with his 17 year old girlfriend.

The static age gap thing is an issue. 30-20 is way worse than even 55-35, despite that being twice the gap. Half your age plus seven solves that by making the socially acceptable age gap grow with age.

Impound4017@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 06:26 collapse

I think the rule breaks down any time before ~21 (always round up). In general, if you’re over 18, don’t date someone under 18. If you’re both under 18 idk but probably don’t exceed a two year age gap.

If you’re 19-20, get fucked I guess.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 12:43 collapse

If you’re 19-20, get fucked I guess.

But that’s exactly what they want, and it’s the only thing on their mind! D:

slazer2au@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:36 next collapse

If they are both consenting adults and personalities don’t cause a toxic environment what does it matter.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 12:48 collapse

I got a vivid image of two age gapped goons spilling toxic waste into a river while snickering to themselves. Definitely don’t do that. And definitely let me go grab my coffee as I’m still in dream mode.

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 27 Aug 21:35 next collapse

22-46 is acceptable.

<img alt="" src="https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/dating_pools.png">

msage@programming.dev on 28 Aug 17:03 collapse

I can’t imagine a 22yo with 30yo.

You are going through such different stages in your lives.

One is most likely still in school, the other may be trying to run their own busuiness, or strive for children. There may be common grounds, but at 22 I would not suggest settling down.

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 28 Aug 18:26 next collapse

Honestly, I’ve met so many people at either age or older who were at either stage in their life. A 22 yo can be done with their training and fully working, even having their own business while a 30 yo is still trying to find themselves.

msage@programming.dev on 28 Aug 19:42 collapse

Sure, but how common is that? There are exceptions to every rule.

But still at 25 your brain is not fully formed, and as such you may consider some wilder ideas.

TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 17:34 collapse

very common in major cities.

maybe less so in rural areas where people don’t go to college and tend have limited opportunities and ‘settle down’ earlier.

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 18:53 next collapse

22yo women date 30yo+ men all the time

Maybe not so much the other way around

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 31 Aug 18:44 collapse

I’m 30, I feel like so far behind peers I could relate with a 22yo girl I’m sure

msage@programming.dev on 31 Aug 22:08 collapse

I’ve known a guy, dated an 18yo while being ~33-35…

We sat down and talked about the relationship.

Me: dude, it’s fine if you tell me it’s all about sex, just please tell me what do you really get out of that relationship?

Dude: no you don’t get it, she’s so mature for her age, we have common things, we talk a lot

Me: what do you talk about? do you talk about her homework?

Dude: noo, we talk about life and such

Couple weeks later dude is single. At least then he admitted it was just about the sex.

The gap was wider than 22 and 30, but still, it’s too much.

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 07:50 collapse

18 is definetly too low, they still look like children to me I agree, but 22-23? If they work they arent behind me in their life. But yeah the gap is wide.

msage@programming.dev on 01 Sep 08:34 collapse

They are behind you in the brain development if nothing else.

Also their back doesn’t hurt yet :D

Noodle07@lemmy.world on 01 Sep 08:57 collapse

Yeah, ya ain’t fully adult until like 25 imho

Nemo@slrpnk.net on 27 Aug 21:40 next collapse

Someone in their thirties shouldn’t be dating an undergrad or retiree. Anything in between is probably fine.

kersploosh@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 21:49 next collapse

Every kid in my high school knew the “half your age plus 7” rule for bounding age gaps:

Age of younger person in the relationship = (Age of older person in the relationship / 2) + 7

So if you are 30 then you can date from 22 to 46. Science!

Though, really, beyond your mid-20s I think you can date as old as you like. As long as everyone is consenting, open, and honest, then have fun.

spankmonkey@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:02 next collapse

The half + 7 also makes it more likely that the two of you have some overlapping life experiences which helps a lot with compatability.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 22:45 collapse

50 and 32? Maybe, I guess?..

Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 23:00 next collapse

I’m 100 years old! Gonna get me a niiiiiiice 19 year old!

What? I don’t give a shit about your little dating rules. I’m 100! I’m gonna get my dick wet using money that won’t be usable in 2 years!

Now then. Who wants to feed me 30 viagra, and get anally pounded for $20,000? Lets get real weird with it!

spankmonkey@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 23:25 collapse

More likely than 50 and 22…

Acamon@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 10:21 collapse

I’ve always heard the “half your age plus seven” rule (mostly somewhat jokingly) for the appropriate minimum age of your partner. But I read somewhere that it’s origin is from some 18th century manual for finding a wife, wherein it indicated the MAX age of an appropriate wife…

Witchfire@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 13:39 collapse

I think you stumbled upon the Republican manual for dating in the 21st century

cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 09:59 collapse

Take out the “half your age plus” and you might be onto something.

They’re all boosting each others’ craziness so none of them drop the dreaded list that exposes all of them, and/or the people they owe favors to.

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:55 next collapse

Depends on where everyone is in their life. An undergrad shouldn’t be dating someone graduated and in a stable working condition. Once your past a certain age, it becomes fairly useless as a question of appropriateness- with things like life experience, goals and present conditions being more important.

even then; it’s about maintaining a healthy balance of power in the relationship. if it’s a one night stand and everyone involved are consenting adults; that’s none of our business.

Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 21:55 next collapse

6?

SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:09 collapse

I think that’s too young to be dating at all

phoenixz@lemmy.ca on 27 Aug 21:58 next collapse

Are there any?

If you’re 18+, you’re free to be with whoever you want to be. As long as no abuse is going on in either direction, and both are happy, who am I to judge

otp@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 22:46 next collapse

16 and 15 shouldn’t date?

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 28 Aug 06:59 next collapse

That’s not what’s being said. From the context of an adult dating some, 15/16 is too young unless the older person is really close to that age (18, 19 at a push and I only think like that because I’m from somewhere with an age of consent of 16. Places with AoC of 18 would obviously be skewed older).

When one of the people is on the younger side, the old rule of thumb (age of older person/2+7) is a best practice for what would be considered inappropriate.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 12:12 collapse

I was asking if they thought that people under 18 shouldn’t date.

15 and 16 pair work by the 1/2 + 7 rule, but not by “Anything goes 18+” rule

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 10:35 next collapse

I know what you were asking but your question reads as “So you don’t like waffles?”. No-one was saying anything about anyone under the age of 18, only what minimum age is appropriate for anyone who’s already a legal adult. I think 15-17 are fine dating amongst themselves but that’s an age where parental consent is concerned in a lot of places.

otp@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 23:23 collapse

Oh, interesting! Is parental consent legally required for certain ages to date in some places?

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca on 31 Aug 03:31 collapse

This is where I can only speak broadly since every country (and state/province) has it’s own laws but from a legal standpoint, minors need parental consent to do a great many things. Dating in the broad term such as a young couple going to see a movie with each other would likely be seen as an innocuous activity and not worth a court’s time. Where laws get involved are when it comes to physical intimacy and they can be loose or draconian. Just in the US alone, there are laws that dictate minors of the same age are able to do as they please, some have the “Romeo & Juliet law” otherwise known as the close-in-age law, and others deem physical intimacy between minors as strictly illegal meaning if 2 minors of the same age had sex, they’d both be committing sexual assault against a minor. To put the power of parental consent into perspective though, in the UK it was possible for a couple wherein one or more of the two were 16 or 17 were legally able to marry with parental consent. This was true until as recently as 2023 due to child abuse issues but that’s incredibly recent for such a thing.

starman2112@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 10:41 collapse

“Anything goes 18+” doesn’t exclude the possibility of some things going <18. I think the name of this fallacy is like “denying the antecedent” or something nerdy like that

starman2112@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 10:39 collapse
Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Aug 23:18 collapse

I don’t know, toddlers should be a no go.

ano@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:01 next collapse

That’s subjective. Two adults can do whatever they want. The rest is just other people’s opinions and those opinions can also be “a bit iffy”. The more you listen to other people’s arbitrary morals, the iffier things get and you soon realize you should just have followed your own intuition to begin with.

Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:07 next collapse

I know a relationship therapist with a list. Everyone needs to be:

  1. Legal.
  2. Capable of enthusiastic consent.
  3. Enthusiastically consenting.
  4. Respectful.
  5. Aware of each other’s expectations.

Check the boxes and have fun.

CidVicious@sh.itjust.works on 27 Aug 22:08 next collapse

I think life situation is probably more important than strictly age. If you’re an independent 30 year old working a full time job you probably don’t want to date a college student that lives with their parents.

N0t_5ure@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:11 next collapse

If they are looking to date younger, I’d say that 25 would probably be the realistic minimum, as that is the age by which the brain is fully developed. If a thirty year old is looking to date older, I don’t really see any real limit. Their brain is fully developed, and they’ve been an adult long enough that they can evaluate the pros and cons of the older person.

kelpie_returns@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 01:49 collapse

Iirc, it’s not that the brain finishes development at 25, but that the study this point comes from stopped following its subjects at age 25. A broader look at neuro-development seems to suggest that the brain never stops ‘maturing’. It’s not always improving tbc, but there also isn’t some definitive line that makes someone cerebraly adult.

Not sure what that means in regards to this thread, but I do feel it’s worth pointing out.

otacon239@lemmy.world on 27 Aug 22:37 next collapse

Just had this conversation oddly enough. I’m of the mindset that consenting adults can do as they please BUT power dynamics I feel are far more important than age. If your power dynamics is unbalanced, you can be the same age and have it all go wrong if they’re your manager for instance, but if you’re 18 and your 40-year-old coworker who works in the same dept wants to jump your bones, I say no harm, no foul.

tiredofsametab@fedia.io on 27 Aug 22:51 next collapse

My wife and I are almost 10 years apart. We met right before her 30th birthday, I was also once the younger partner when I was 20 and my then-gf was 34. That failed for a number of reasons, but I don't think age was one of them. With legal, consenting adults, whatever works for you is fine, I think.

CCMan1701A@startrek.website on 27 Aug 23:14 next collapse

Have your own list of cultural references, of they know them well, you’ll be ok.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 12:52 collapse

I once dated a 40 year-old in my early 30s and I still had to explain what a random SpongeBob WhatsApp sticker was. It felt so wrong.

Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de on 27 Aug 23:16 next collapse

Over 30? Any age up. Down? 8 years difference

Fleur_@aussie.zone on 28 Aug 01:04 next collapse

I’m a so long as both are older than 18 it’s fine kinda person.

P00ptart@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 01:53 next collapse

I’m 40 now and can’t imagine dating someone younger than 30. People change so much between 20-30 that the person you start with may not be the person you end with. People should never quit growing and learning. But I want to know that the person has enough life experience and stability to be a reliable partner. That being said, I also hold older women at an arms length because in my experience they tend to want more control. I don’t want control or to be controlled. I want an equal partnership with respect and love. I understand that that changes depending on the person but IN GENERAL I would go -7 or +5. There are exceptions to that based on maturity, intellect, vibe, etc.

MuttMutt@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 07:02 next collapse

I am 16 years younger than my other half.

Age is a number and people mature at different rates based on their life experiences and intelligence. I survived mental, physical, and sexual abuse as a child. I am also considered high intelligence… in elementary school I was ranked in the top 10 percentile of my age group based on standardized testing. In middle school all of my testing showed me at a minimal of college levels with some areas in graduate school. I had no friends and have literally had the crap beat out of me for no reason than I existed. I have also buried a child and a wife. I am more comfortable with an older woman because those my own age and younger are generally more self absorbed.

Stick to someone of the age of majority who makes you happy and isn’t abusive. The rest is your business and nobody else’s.

daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Aug 09:16 next collapse

I don’t think is that much the age (above 18 please) than the knowledge that you are not taking advantage of that person (or knowing that that person is not taking advantage of you though this is harder to notice).

If there’s a huge age gap you will get looks. But the looks of others are not that important as long as you know that what you are doing is right.

Are you taking advantage of the other person because of their age? If yes then don’t do it. If no, please continue.

Lemminary@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 12:38 collapse

I can attest to this. I had a 30 year-old friend who I got along with great when I was 19. We hung out all the time and got looks and odd comments when we went out. I knew he was interested, but I never budged and he never took advantage. We’re still great platonic friends to this day, 15ish years later.

xePBMg9@lemmynsfw.com on 28 Aug 16:17 next collapse

I would say; don’t take other peoples opinion in mind. If you make eachother happy; you are good.

If your question is focusing on the reaction of the average person. I would say the average person walking past you on the street, will not raise their eyebrow unless one of the partners looks underage. Or if the 30 year old looks significantly older than 30.

swelter_spark@reddthat.com on 28 Aug 19:11 next collapse

Once you’re 30, as long as the other person is in your general age group or older, and the relationship works for both of you, your specific ages don’t matter.

garbagebagel@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 00:00 next collapse

My sister’s ex is my mom’s age (25 year age gap). They dated when she was in her late 20s. Honestly they had a great relationship and, while he was a bit “immature” for his age (financially), he was a really awesome dude and they had lots in common. The main reason it didn’t work out was because she wanted kids, and having kids with a man in his early 50s, who aleady had like a 20 year old kid, is difficult.

I think that’s what often causes issues in big age gap relationships, they’re often at different points of family/career development.

The flip side of this is that I met my uncle’s (61) girlfriend, who is, I believe, 25 or 26 and I did get the ick because she’s younger than two of his older children and has braces that make her look a lot younger than that. Most people thought she was a friend of his youngest kids (who are 19). She’s nice though I guess. And my uncle needs therapy, but that’s not necessarily related to this.

exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 18:29 collapse

while he was a bit “immature” for his age (financially)

Ok this is now my favorite euphemism I’ve seen

jet@hackertalks.com on 29 Aug 10:01 collapse

If you have common interests and enjoy time together then there is no problem.

If you find yourself avoiding your partner and nothing in common, it light be a issue that you have to work hard on fixing.