Why 🤷‍♂️ do users 👨‍💻 dislike 👎 the use ✅ of emojis 😀 on Lemmy 🐭?
from HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 14:32
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/26775421

Ok, the title was an overuse of emojis as a joke. But seriously, I like some limited use of emojis because it helps me convey intention/emotion so that I’m less misunderstood and also adds some more feeling/fun to text content 😄

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Zerlyna@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 14:38 next collapse

I love them but that was a bit much. 🤨

Blaze@sopuli.xyz on 28 Aug 14:40 collapse

I love them too 🙂

snooggums@midwest.social on 28 Aug 15:04 collapse

I love them too 🍆💦

tekKUh@lemmy.kde.social on 28 Aug 14:38 next collapse

Ngl i use emojis whenever too, i dont think anyone “hates them”, ive seen other people use emoticons too [eg, “:)”]

Nougat@fedia.io on 28 Aug 15:08 collapse

I hate them. Words are easy enough to misunderstand or misconstrue. Emojis take that to an entire other level.

tekKUh@lemmy.kde.social on 28 Aug 15:27 collapse

Probably first time I met a person who hates emojis

harsh3466@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 14:39 next collapse

It definitely depends on the instance, but as a whole it’s probably a bit of carryover culture from the other place where emoji are not generally accepted.

Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 14:41 next collapse

I think of them like swear words. Not on-the-internet swearing, but public swearing. To use their full power, words like “fuck” need context and - more importantly - discretion and frugal usage.

Overuse of emojis is even easier and harder to look at. But when used right, they serve a purpose. Otherwise it’s “Why the fuck do users fucking dislike the fucking use of emojis on fucking Lemmy?”

xmunk@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 14:41 next collapse

I grew up with emoticons and find the colorful nature of them quite disruptive… but that might just be me *shrug*

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Aug 15:17 next collapse

I’m sooooo with you. Emoticons 4eva! And ASCII art.

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xmunk@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 15:24 next collapse

My keyboard doesn’t have enough Cs on it to properly express how thicc that is.

Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Aug 15:27 collapse

Hahaha it’s from a VERY NSFW animation, “Axel in Harlem.” It was a big meme on a subreddit I used to go to, that I can no longer remember the name off it was all sped up and had “Ballin’” by Roddy Rich pitched up as the background music. It’s a hoot. I can pull that ASCII art by typing “forgies”. I also have

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n3m37h@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 16:28 collapse

Aaaah sexy Flanders!

GuerillaGorillas@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 22:45 next collapse

Man, you hit the nail on the head for why emojis nag me, messages being monotone just makes it so much easier to parse.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 13:26 collapse

I usually always use : ) type of faces to give tone, but I used to use text like you did there for shrug, but I assumed it would alter the text due to underlying text editor like this

xmunk@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 14:36 collapse

It does unless you proceed it with a backslash like \*

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 14:55 collapse

Yeah I assumed it was just html underneath it all. Test: <i>italics</I> <Strong>bold</strong>

xmunk@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 14:59 collapse

It is eventually encoded into the DOM possibly via HTML or possibly through direct node creation but it’s more accurate to say it’s markdown.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 15:06 collapse

Markdown, never heard the term, the m in html is markup I thought, it’s been years since I did any web design. 2006 I think is when I studied it, so I used notepad, and Dreamweaver was still owned by macromedia haha

xmunk@sh.itjust.works on 30 Aug 15:34 collapse

Markdown and HTML are indeed both markup languages, markdown is one that was designed to align with a lot of internet text habits that emerged organically like using *s to create lists and ascii tables.

A reference is available here daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/syntax.text

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 15:52 collapse

Oh cool thanks. I saw Div tags listed in there, does it natively support such or does that still fall into the css or JavaScript type of chunk.

Edit: nevermind, I bookmarked it, going to read through it all this weekend, could be fun to get more back into some old hobbies

Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 14:46 next collapse

it can quickly get unreadable. I mean, I’m fine having a smiley to mark-down the humour/sarcasm, or the bad news but on some social media it’s like

*During 🍑 🍆 the 🐱 👁️‍🗨️ at 💑 *

Even more straightforward stuff can still be messy, I am not saving much by writing 🇧🇪 still has no government (Is that Romania ? Germany ? Belgium ? ) over Belgium still has no government

kerthale@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 14:51 next collapse

My dyslexic brain gets upset with this mid-sentence emoji usage. Takes much more time and effort to read and interpret.

finickydesert@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 15:54 collapse

Are you using the opendyslexic font?

n3m37h@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 16:26 next collapse
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 16:38 next collapse

This font is awesome, and I cannot fathom why Apple will not let me use it even in the Books app, much less anywhere else.

Treble@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 17:00 next collapse

Father Apple protects us from all wickedness , including autonomy and any choice unconsidered by Him, mhm.

finickydesert@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 18:44 collapse

Because they didn’t want you to read the trauma terms of service better

kerthale@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 20:36 collapse

Often yes, though most sans serif fonts work well enough for me.

GlenRambo@jlai.lu on 29 Aug 16:00 collapse

I looked into that font when I head about it. Peer reviewd studies seem to agree with you. It’s also mainly the size and reglar spacing that helps.

kerthale@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 20:38 collapse

That’s indeed my experience

9point6@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 14:56 next collapse

Made me go and check, but surprisingly lemmy doesn’t have an emojipasta community

I would have thought that one would have made the jump

667@lemmy.radio on 28 Aug 14:57 next collapse

🤷🏽‍♂️

DaGeek247@fedia.io on 28 Aug 15:42 collapse

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone on 28 Aug 15:04 next collapse

I think it might just be the old creeping in. Kids like emojis, and they weren’t around when we were kids, so it is new and strange so I don’t like it, etc.

slazer2au@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:10 next collapse

You only speak one language in a sentence right? How often do you switch between languages in a single sentence?

Emoji are pictograms the same as east Asian languages are pictograms.

Shadow@lemmy.ca on 28 Aug 15:21 next collapse

You know many words in any language, are borrowed from other languages right? You just used a Japanese word when you said emoji.

slazer2au@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:27 next collapse

Ik ben talking about using geen common words in a sentence.

That was a weird sentence right? Emoji has a common use in English where ik,ben, and geen do not.

breakingcups@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:30 collapse

What even is your point? Besides not acknowledging that language evolves.

Kaboom@reddthat.com on 28 Aug 15:32 next collapse

It’s a loan word, it’s still English

Wilzax@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:37 collapse

While true that the term originates from Japanese, it’s important to note that emoji is a loanword that has been adapted into english by changing its pronunciation subtly, and replacing its spelling with a phonetically similar one in an alphabet not used in Japanese.

This is similar to when words and phrases are used without much adaptation in the middle of sentences that are otherwise in a different language. There’s a certain je ne sais quoi about English and how it mixes loanwords (such as “calque”), calques (such as “loanword”, where individual parts of the word are translated then recombined) and entire unchanged terms (such as “je ne sais quoi”) freely, and to varying degrees depending on where you are and who you talk to.

Wilzax@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 16:57 collapse

East Asian languages aren’t pictograms. Most use phonetic alphabets. Among those that don’t, very few characters use visual resemblance to convey meaning, and no language uses primarily pictographical characters.

Lurkinney@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:15 next collapse

🧜‍♀️

cheese_greater@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:26 next collapse

If you can find mine it was hilarious when I did a similar thing XD

folekaule@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:32 next collapse

I don’t mind them when used appropriately, but remember that us old people may struggle to make out which emoji we’re looking at when the text is small.

To my eyes it also looks out of place in professional writing, so I would find it hard to take you seriously if you use emojis in such a context.

TL;DR: in a casual context, go nuts, but avoid for important communication where clarity and professionalism matters.

DarkThoughts@fedia.io on 28 Aug 15:37 next collapse

I dislike emojis in general.

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 15:38 next collapse

I thought lemmy got an emojipasta community when I saw your post 😂

HottieAutie@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 28 Aug 16:28 collapse

omg 🙏 can you 🫵 imagine 🧠?? that would bee 🐝 crazyyy 👉🤪

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 20:03 collapse

Yeah. This is what I can NOT get behind, and I responded in approval of emojis! You already said the words, why add the pictures?

FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 20:59 next collapse

Sounds like you haven’t been on emojipasta.

It’s sarcastic overuse of emojis. Not meant to be taken seriously.

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:37 collapse

🤣

don@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 15:43 next collapse

I predate emojis by a bit, they never really caught on with me.

LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com on 28 Aug 15:45 next collapse

I haven’t specifically seen anyone go off the rails when it comes to emoji usage on Lemmy; I can only comment on my particular feelings about emoji: Like any tool, emoji can be used in ways which are confusing. However, the value of these little images conveying additional context to written text is useful. There is so much of the personal voice which is lost with written words, unadorned with body language, tone of voice, and facial expressions. Emoji are like a written solution to this issue (for those that don’t pick up on context on words alone). I am fine with the usage of emoji.

BassTurd@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 15:56 next collapse

Excessive emojis make reading difficult. It’s just as bad as posts. That. Are. Written. Like. This. My internal voice pauses for ever period, likewise, I have to interpret every inline emoji. It’s mentally tiring, and while forums like this aren’t formal, when I see abused emoji use, I instinctively write off a comment or post as juvenile and low quality. I’m more inclined to skip reading it entirely because of the extra effort required and my pre judgement of its contents.

Tagging an emoji to the end or light use to help convey emotions is fine and intuitive. I personally like them for quick response and like you, to add a little more context to text where the “voice” may be missed.

lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network on 28 Aug 16:04 next collapse

It feels immature and cringe but that’s probably only 'cause I’m “old”.

neidu2@feddit.nl on 28 Aug 16:44 next collapse

Same. Plus, emojis don’t really add a whole lot that words cannot, and interpreting them takes away valuable time from my schedule when I’m practicing yelling at kids to get off my excuse for a lawn.

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emptyother@programming.dev on 28 Aug 17:19 collapse

And I thought it was us middle-aged (40+) and older who was the only one who still used them literally. Gotten the impression that younger generations invented non-obvious meanings that spread in trend waves, then stopped using emojis when it became too hard and social anxiety-inducing to keep track of the various interpretations of what a “slight smile” might possibly mean to the receiver. 🙂

bacon_saber@fedia.io on 28 Aug 19:11 next collapse

( ͡◉◞ ͜ʖ◟ ͡◉)

richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one on 28 Aug 19:12 collapse

Yeah, I don’t care anymore. I just use a few smile emoji, and the facepalm one, because I never found a satisfactory emoticon for it.

chottomatte@lemdro.id on 28 Aug 16:15 next collapse

Emojis make reading slower because you’ll pay attention to both emojis and text , and try to understand it

BearOfaTime@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 16:58 next collapse

Your title is why.

GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 17:34 next collapse

Because being a contrarian is the height of personality for a lot of people here.

blindbunny@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 17:41 next collapse

I do them anyways ignore the downvotes live your true self ⓋⒶ🐇

Anticorp@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 18:47 next collapse

Bring forth the holy hand grenade of Antioch!

magnetosphere@fedia.io on 28 Aug 18:56 collapse

This might be part of the reason: to me, your comment ends with a V inside a circle, an A inside a circle, and a rabbit. I don’t understand what that’s supposed to mean.

blindbunny@lemmy.ml on 28 Aug 19:31 collapse

If you know, you know 😁🤷‍♂️

magnetosphere@fedia.io on 28 Aug 22:05 collapse

Fair enough. Inside jokes existed before emojis.

Etterra@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 18:19 next collapse

Using one or two occasionally to convey emotion or humor is one thing, but they’re neither words not punctuation marks. Using them as such is not just annoying, but actively disrupts the rhythm of the words you’re reading - especially if they’re plunked into the middle of a sentence or clause. It’s like saying “I love HEART cheeseburgers.” Go ahead, say it that way to somebody in person and see how they react.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 18:22 next collapse
  1. At the font sizes I tend to view text in, I can read text clearly but emoji just look like blobs. The details are so small that ALL of the faces look like yellow circles.

  2. There are so many emoji, many of them with only slight differences between them, that they render each other meaningless.

  3. So many of them are being used as something else and keeping up with their actual meaning is just not worth the time.

MeThisGuy@feddit.nl on 28 Aug 21:27 collapse

🍆💦

Randomgal@lemmy.ca on 28 Aug 18:40 next collapse

Because CoOl KiDs DonT UsE eMoTIcOns

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 19:54 collapse

I thought they didn’t look at explosions!

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 18:58 next collapse

I see emojis as text’s substitute for body language. Body language is supposed to supplement the spoken word. Emojis should supplement the paragraph.

Trying to communicate with more emojis than text is akin to trying to communicate with more body language than spoken word.

Ever try to say something but forget the word, and you try to convey the meaning with body language instead? Overuse of emojis implies a similar lapse of thought.

wiccan2@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 19:06 next collapse

👍

richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one on 28 Aug 19:10 next collapse

Same as emoticons did, now with Unicode Consortium approval! 😁

Crackhappy@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 19:43 next collapse

You just described the way I dance.

thesporkeffect@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 21:30 collapse

You’re right, excess emoji usage is very Italian

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 19:53 next collapse

I like one or two at the end of the sentence to help relay tone. As seen in:

OMG! HE’S DYING! 😂

OMG! HE’S DYING! 😭

Those are useful emojis.

samus12345@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 22:16 collapse

The best part is when boomers can’t tell them apart. “Grandma died 😂”

T156@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 04:10 collapse

Especially if they also misuse acronyms.

“Grandma died LOL 😂”

Urist@lemmy.ml on 29 Aug 05:08 collapse

Loved out of life 👻

Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 20:04 next collapse

I don’t have any fundamental issue with emojis when they’re used to expand meaning or provide clarity. Eg you could use an emotive emoji to show/clarify the intent/emotion of something. Imo, using emojis in this way is no different than the practice of adding a “/s” to denote sarcasm. When they get annoying is when they’re used superfluously; if they serve no purpose, then it’s just clutter.

Mandy@sh.itjust.works on 28 Aug 20:07 next collapse

To be fair, i dislike them everywhere

Even from the before times

tilefan@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 20:07 next collapse

what exactly have you seen people saying when they complain? when they do it like you did in the title, it’s just too busy for my eyes, I’ve been in Discord servers where the moderators ask people to remove most of the Emojis from their username because of how annoying it is (to them apparently. I find it a little obnoxious but not enough to care).

I basically use them as tone indicators. like

omg 😭

omg 🙄

omg 🖕

omg 💀

omg 🥵

etc.

cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world on 29 Aug 16:28 collapse

What I find interesting is that in your examples I actually find the “omg” to be the redundant part.

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 28 Aug 20:12 next collapse

Lemmy has a lot of grumpy old folks who fear change so it just comes with the territory.

schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de on 28 Aug 20:50 collapse

Odd because why would such people switch to a new platform?

LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net on 28 Aug 20:55 collapse

Because they didn’t like the direction Reddit was heading I guess? But I don’t know the full answer. I’ve just noticed that Lemmy seems to skew older than I would have expected.

Maybe it’s just reflecting the demographics of the tech-savvy open source enthusiasts that might be interested in such a project? Are there young people with such interests still? And if so where are they?

I’m also old, just not as grumpy as some, so I don’t really know what the young people are up to nowadays. Most I know in person seem to be on TikTok and instagram but that’s not the tech crowd, if they’re out there somewhere.

Kolanaki@yiffit.net on 28 Aug 20:38 next collapse

Using them like the title here, I hate them too. You only need a few, and they should be conveying the same emotion that the text is being written as. 😮‍💨

They can be pretty good at expressing sarcasm. Especially the eye roll one.

“Yeah. Because that looks good. 🙄”

Daxtron2@startrek.website on 28 Aug 21:47 collapse

the irony

schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de on 28 Aug 20:55 next collapse

I grew up with forums where emoticons were substituted with smiley images (on badly coded ones, “8)” turned into “😎” even when it was just a parenthetical ending with the number 8 or the eighth point in a bullet point list). I use emoji approximately when I would have used those smileys, it is a good thing they’re now standardized, but other than that I find them unnecessary and distracting.

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 21:01 next collapse

It’s funny because I love them to death on slack. I think I prefer emojis as reactions rather than inline text. Also if you put them in line it can f*** up search

Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net on 28 Aug 21:06 next collapse

Overuse of emojis can also really be annoying for people using screen readers. They clapping hands get clapping hand to clapping hands hear clapping hands something clapping hands like clapping hands this. So it’s also an accessibility issue.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 29 Aug 02:50 collapse

That seems like a limitation of the screen reader than anything else. It needs to either translate those more succinctly or just ignore them.

Eiri@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 04:02 collapse

How would you tackle that? Unless you build a really intelligent system that’s allowed to interpret and reword and understand the significance (or lack thereof) of emojis in context, it sounds tough. Like, generally speaking, you just wouldn’t be able to tell how important an emoji is to the message, when writing an algorithm.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 30 Aug 02:39 collapse

I mean the easiest solution is to enable a toggle to just switch them off. As many people have pointed out they’re usually superfluous or used mainly for emphasis anyway. It’s doubtful that much actual meaning would be lost.

What I had in mind immediately at first was a more sonic implementation, where certain emojis would be expressed as sound effects rather than simply dictated as descriptive phrases. 👏 would be expressed as a clap sound, etc. Naturally I recognize this would be massively unrealistic effort to implement, but maybe if your concern is accessibility then that’s what you should be shooting for. Rather than limiting what non-disabled persons can use because a certain proportion of people can’t experience it properly, work towards translating that into something they can experience.

Eiri@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 10:54 collapse

That might be good. With text to speech getting as good as it’s getting, it’s probably getting in the realistic territory, too.

pixelscript@lemm.ee on 28 Aug 21:19 next collapse

Emojis to me are like a strongly flavored seasoning. It’s only appropriate in specific contexts, and even in those contexts, just a pinch goes a long way. Too much and it can detract from the experience.

Emojipasta is grossly overseasoned food. But that’s the point, obviously. It’s the emoji version of those white women on Tiktok who throw three pounds of ground beef wrapped around an entire block of cheese in a baking sheet full of milk and bake it in the oven for rage clicks.

Me, personally, I usually don’t need emoji seasoning. I’m fine with it plain. Besides, most emojis to me have all the class of drowning your entire meal in ranch dressing. There are a very small handful of exceptions. But that’s just my lame opinion.

And of the ones I do find theoretically useful, I’m always hesitant to use them, because emoji rendering is platform specific. They’re not quite like text, where the glyphs are entirely utilitarian and typeface it’s written in conveys little to no information. But with emojis, the subleties pile up. A thinking emoji rendered on a Windows PC isn’t quite the same as a thinking emoji on an iPhone, or various kinds of Android phones. Unless I’m on a platform like Twitter or Discord that forces all clients to use a single emoji set, I can never confidently send a precise emotion with an emoji.

Platforms like Discord that let you create your own emojis instead of using the comparatively sterile, corporate-approved, general purpose set provided in standard Unicode is another story. I like those and use them extensively. If Lemmy natively supported a Discord-esque system where instances or communities could define custom emojis that didn’t rely on custom clients, plugins, or instance-specific rendering hacks, I’d use them all the time. Though this would, I presume, be to the extreme chagrin of many.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 21:51 next collapse

Because I’m a millennial semi-luddite who (typically) prefers emoticons.*


*Contrary to popular opinion, emoticons ≠ emoji. :) is an emoticon, while 🙂 is an emoji. (Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. Lol.)

klemptor@startrek.website on 28 Aug 22:07 next collapse

YES, emoticons are so much better than emojis!

Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 28 Aug 22:12 collapse

They’re objectively not.

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 01:27 next collapse

They are not objectively better or worse overall, though one or the other may be objectively better in individual contexts.

Individual people may prefer one over the other, though. I am one of them.

Tenniswaffles@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 02:28 collapse

In what context where both are available are emoticons objectively better?

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 03:05 next collapse

Well, if you’re typing on a computer as opposed to a phone, for instance, it’s typically a lot easier to type out an emoticon as opposed to an emoji. Therefore, emoticons would likely be objectively better.

Likewise, if you’re typing on a smartphone, most people have an emoji drawer they can pop open in a jiffy and choose what they want.

Then again, even in both of these situations, it also depends on what crowd you’re in: some people honestly just prefer emoticons because it’s what they grew up with, like me; others prefer emoji, for varying reasons.

Most instances where one is objectively better suited than the other are based on subjective criteria.

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:40 collapse

This one (^o^;)

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:39 collapse

😾

YeetPics@mander.xyz on 28 Aug 22:10 next collapse

(╯°□°)╯︵ 🤸

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 01:27 collapse

Lol, I like that. xD

ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 04:25 collapse

(👁 ͜ʖ👁)

Grass@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 00:56 next collapse

by definition they should really be the same though or at least both qualifying as emoticons. emoji are more icons than emoticons are, and the translation from japanese is literally just picture letter/symbol

[deleted] on 29 Aug 01:22 next collapse
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EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 01:26 next collapse

I never said emoticons are icons.

  • Emoji are picture-like and each one is a single-glyph.

  • Emoticons are not picture-like but resemble letters or punctuation, and are typically composed of multiple glyphs to make a coherent whole.

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:39 collapse

🙅‍♀️

Tippon@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 13:05 collapse

I have nothing to add but Cartman

(((>.<)))

Sidhean@lemmy.world on 28 Aug 22:09 next collapse

“Why! Do users! Dislike! The use! Of emojis! On Lemmy!?”

Overused, they’re just so tiring too read. I think, if you’re gonna go that hard, just full send hieroglyphics and drop the text aspect.

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 29 Aug 02:47 collapse

Yeah but

⁣🍐🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎🍎🍎
🍐🍏🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎🍎
🍆🍐🍐🍌🍋🍋🍊🍊🍎
🍇🍇🍏      🍋🍊🍊
🍎🍆🍇  ⁣😎  🍋🍋🍊
🍒🍓🍇      🍌🍋🍋
🍊🍎🍉🍇🍆🍐🍐🍌🍋
🍊🍊🍓🍎🍇🍇🍏🍐🍌
🍋🍊🍊🍎🍓🍇🍇🍐🍏

abbadon420@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 16:18 next collapse

But that’s art. That’s not what this threat is about

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 30 Aug 02:33 collapse

Well sure, but the occasional well-placed emoji can art up a comment too. The problem isn’t the emojis, it’s people using them poorly.

petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 20:56 collapse

ohmygod ilovethis

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 30 Aug 02:32 collapse

See? Emojis can be cool.

petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 30 Aug 03:18 collapse

Oh, I’m well aware.

I wrote up a long reply to someone who essentially said “emojis don’t add meaning” about how this willful, and I do mean willful, ignorance about a medium of communication is kind of like rejecting the invention of technicolor film for being a frivolous gimmick. It’s a silly position to have, and I might even argue anti-intellectual.

Buuut I didn’t want to seem like I was picking on the poor guy, so I didn’t send, haha.

Drusas@fedia.io on 28 Aug 22:16 next collapse

I think using one here and there is fine. It's only annoying if there's more than one or if the comment is nothing but an emoji.

TheBananaKing@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 00:20 next collapse

Because this isn’t a Spot The Dog book, and we don’t need little picture of all the nouns.

On their own they’re ambiguous and vague; with the matching word they’re completely redundant.

What good does it do to say “I had pizza [little picture of pizza] for lunch”?

I’ll use the occasional :) or such as befits the tone, but pointless hieroglyphics are pointless and annoying.

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:38 next collapse

🍕

GlenRambo@jlai.lu on 29 Aug 15:58 next collapse

Devil’s advocate. Helps ESL speakers and dyslexics. Probably bad for tts scream readers though.

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 13:22 collapse

What a dick 😡

What a dick 🤤

Completely different meanings

rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 01:12 next collapse

🦕

CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world on 29 Aug 01:25 next collapse

It’s mostly just a snobbish “get off my lawn” response based on the popularity of said emojis on platforms popular with the youths. 🦾🧐🫴

Siegfried@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 01:29 next collapse

I see it as a laugh track in american sitcoms, trying to force me to feel something that isn’t on the actor’s performance.

raptore39@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 01:41 next collapse

I like emojis 😬

mechoman444@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 02:08 next collapse

For the same reason they don’t irrationally like the cyber truck.

They don’t know.

Fuzzy_Red_Panda@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 03:36 next collapse

A single emoji at the end of a post never hurt anybody 🤫

ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net on 29 Aug 04:25 next collapse

ಠ_ಠ

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:37 next collapse

For real 😏

baatliwala@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 16:53 collapse

Word 💀

Sabata11792@ani.social on 29 Aug 04:17 next collapse

Their intentionally bland, unpleasant to look at, and it makes you look like you just got on to the internet for the first time in your life.

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:27 collapse

🎟

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 04:35 next collapse

Man, yall emoji hatin’ MF’ERs are gross.

🤮

Flax_vert@feddit.uk on 29 Aug 09:31 next collapse

🤔

bitfucker@programming.dev on 29 Aug 10:15 collapse

The emoji guy is giving Shrek a blowjob

deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev on 29 Aug 13:40 next collapse

Shreks’ moist pickle dick

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de on 29 Aug 21:11 collapse

Thanks for my new Cards Against Humanity card

h3mlocke@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 15:19 collapse

🫢

qaz@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 06:10 next collapse

I think that might have moved over from Reddit.

UnfairUtan@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 20:05 collapse

From what I experienced, Reddit mostly has the same hate towards emojis.

HamSwagwich@showeq.com on 29 Aug 07:21 next collapse

Because you look like a ratchet ass ghetto idiot using them.

Dearth@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 07:34 collapse

That’s a fucked up way to say they distract you from reading text

DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 09:12 next collapse

I’ve always found it annoying, can’t speak for the rest of the Fediverse.

BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 10:36 collapse

Same, i have a hard time taking anything serious with an emoji and don’t think it adds anything

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 13:17 collapse

I said this elsewhere above, but I think they definitely can add something, it often is tone, which doesn’t appear in text.

Yeah but those jeans 😳

Yeah but those jeans 😏

Yeah but those jeans 😍

Yeah but those jeans 🤮

Same line, 4 meanings, I’m sure you can do more, but it can let someone know you are joking if you laugh, instead of having to put /s or such

dreikelvin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 09:34 next collapse

I’m sorry if they’re a emojoomer and hate progress

zyratoxx@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 10:44 next collapse

One emoji is fine.

Two if you want to underline your reaction.

Three is the maximum allowed by the cringe police.

After three according to the judgement of the Oratrice Mecanique d’Analyse Cardinale you belong to the Facebook boomer jail. Enjoy the nationalist/racist/sexist/lame minion “memes”.

When I see more than three laughing emojis a sitcom laughter is automatically playing in my head. It feels like being forced to laugh at gunpoint.

knightmare1147@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 11:56 next collapse

This is my new emoji rulebook and I’m going to explain to it to others exactly like this.

zyratoxx@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 20:12 collapse

I feel honored \(^-^)/

callouscomic@lemm.ee on 29 Aug 12:33 next collapse

People who put the clapping emoji between every word should be taken to the guillotine.

zyratoxx@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 20:15 collapse

If you’re happy and you know it clap your hands 👏👏

Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Aug 14:01 collapse

Now I have that song stuck in my head again.

zyratoxx@lemm.ee on 30 Aug 20:14 collapse

Hehe, that was the plan all along ;)

HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 11:47 next collapse

I interpret someone using that many as an idiot

zerozaku@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 12:51 collapse

Can confirm

I use emojis when I want to convey that I’m trolling.

pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 17:47 collapse

with gen a and z humor combined with your reply you get this:

skibidi😎toilet🚽sigma😳male♂️ohio⚠️MLG⚗️9/11🗼🗼uwu🤭fortnite battlepass🤑mewing🤫 among us🏮

asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 14:28 next collapse

One thing I really hate is when people use that clap emoji between every word to try to solidify what they’re saying.

Doing that, or saying “full stop”, etc. doesn’t make me trust what you’re saying more. Explain why what you’re saying is correct. Use words, logic, and sources.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca on 29 Aug 14:49 collapse

use that clap emoji

If people are clapping between words like pre-schoolers singing about Bingo the dog, it’s not accidental. It’s a last resort to prevent our phones auto-correcting everything to the phrase “you dumb motherfucker”.

I agree, though – ‘full stop’ is just jargon and useless like ‘literally’.

Jimmycakes@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 14:58 next collapse

Because some people are afraid to have emotion

deafboy@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 17:06 collapse

We can tell you probably have an emotion if you use one, we just can’t be sure what emotion. The emoji you type is almost certainly not the one we see.

BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz on 29 Aug 15:12 next collapse

Because “muhh, back in my day on irc there weren’t emojis and zoomers use them on tiktok so they’re baaaad !!!1!!11!”

BilboBargains@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 15:52 next collapse

I like them used sparingly. There’s art to using just the right emoji in the right spot that conveys a message in a way that is difficult to achieve with text.

GooberEar@lemmy.wtf on 29 Aug 16:47 next collapse

Imagine if every language in the world used the exact same alphabet, exact same words with the exact same spelling, and exact same sentences but the meaning of those words/sentences varied from person to person, region to region, in different contexts, and sometimes changed day to day. Then on top of that, the words even rendered differently from device to device.

Additionally, there was no way to look up what those words meant to the person writing them, who you don’t even know. Even if you ask for clarification, there’s less than 50% chance they’ll respond at all, let alone provide a sincere, meaningful, and accurate answer.

That’s what emojis are like to me. Sure, some of these same complaints apply to text-based communication as well, but emojis take it to the extreme.

I don’t typically care that much if people use them – for instance, to reinforce the meaning or intention of their message. But it’s mildly annoying when the emojis are a message all of their own and that person is trying to communicate with me.

Additionally, there’s an extremely high degree of correlation between people and messages that use a bunch of emojis and actual quality of the message/meaning being sent. In other words, if someone’s using a lot of emojis to communicate, I can pretty much completely disregard anything they have to say because it almost certainly holds no value to me. And that’s okay.

So maybe in a broader sense, comments/titles/descriptions with lots and lots of emojis is annoying similar to seeing advertisements at the top of my search results and interspersed in the front page posts. It’s useless drivel that mucks up the experience.

And even to use your description as an example:

I don’t understand at all how that emoji is necessary or even insightful. It seems completely contradictory to the “But seriously” at the start of the sentence, it doesn’t seem like anybody with any degree of reading comprehension would mistake what you’re saying as being something negative/nasty/mean/hurtful/etc so it’s like if I ended my sentence with “and I’m currently chewing gum”. Okay, nice to know I guess, but why would I need to be told that?

MadBob@feddit.nl on 29 Aug 17:58 next collapse

there was no way to look up what those words meant to the person writing them

emojipedia.org

starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 19:19 collapse

well yeah if the person writes 😪😔🤥 it’s not clear what they mean, but this poster gave an example sentence that’s pretty unambiguous, and is using the emoji as a tool to make it even more unambiguous, are they not? 🤔

Just feels unfair to lump 🗨💣💨🤳 style emoji usage with “let me put 😆 to make it more clear this is a joke” 🥺 (also sometimes it’s just what the writer is feeling, rather than trying to be clear communication)

GooberEar@lemmy.wtf on 29 Aug 19:21 collapse

Perhaps. I’m not chewing gum anymore right now.

starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works on 29 Aug 19:45 next collapse

The point of the emoji at the end was to “add some more feeling/fun to text content,” like if I ended a comment with “I couldn’t stop smiling while writing this.” It’s irrelevant but it changes the flavor of the text.

Besides that, many lemmy users are on the spectrum and will read “Donald Trump is known for his great border policies” in a comment that it’s clear they’re joking, and they will still have -5 score and comments arguing with them until the poster says “it was a joke.” Compare that to “Donald Trump is known for his great border policies 🤡” or 🙄 or 💀 depending on how obvious you want to be. It’s just a tool that can be misused or annoying like anything else.

GooberEar@lemmy.wtf on 29 Aug 21:33 collapse

This actually is a good point and is one of the reasons that overuse of emojis can be annoying for some folks. Basically it boils down to the fact that a lot of people using them don’t use them effectively or in a way that provides any “value” to the reader.

For an otherwise clear and benign statement, a grinning emoji to signify that the writer wants their statement to be “fun” isn’t particularly useful, relevant, nor insightful for the reader. At best, it comes across as unnecessary filler like an ad at the end of a sentence. It makes no difference, it’s just there for the writer’s own pleasure. Nothing wrong with that, but hopefully you can see that it would be annoying for some folks.

On the other hand, using emojis effectively, like putting one after making a sarcastic statement provides insight and meaning to people reading. In other words, it has value for the audience, provides useful context. A lot less annoying to people when they actually derive some benefit from it.

One issue is, a whole lot of people don’t recognize this and/or don’t care.

GrammarPolice@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 23:01 next collapse

I am sorry 😔🙏 but with all respect to you and Jose I consider match not played ❌☝️😏 because yoo many (stock)fishy things happening! 🐟🤨🤢🛜 Long night watching video recording 🌃🥱📽️will check why timer and chesscom clock showing such a considerable difference in lenght of the games 👨‍💻📏🕰️, will let everyone know 👨‍🏫😬

starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works on 31 Aug 17:06 collapse

Yeah I think it’s just some people are not trying to “communicate” rather they’re just doing it because it’s fun for them (and some others). Sort of the “talking because they like to talk.” I used to also be pretty annoyed by it but I had a friend use them all the time and sort of just got used to it. Even if it did still annoy me I don’t like to ruin someone’s fun, so I’ll just be a bit mad and carry on (and then complain to other people it annoys)

LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 13:14 collapse

Yeah but those jeans 😳

Yeah but those jeans 😏

Yeah but those jeans 😍

Yeah but those jeans 🤮

Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Aug 19:40 next collapse

Because, emojis, breakup, the, flow, of, a, sentence, like, a, comma. Using too, many, makes, it, sound, like, you, are, straining, to 💩.

beejboytyson@lemmy.world on 30 Aug 03:52 collapse

Huh, never understood it till now. 100% how my inner monolog read the title.

Do add to your point making all those movements while talking make you seem crazy.

UnfairUtan@lemmy.world on 29 Aug 20:11 collapse

They’re great! Obviously they can be annoying when overused (unless as a joke), but I would never want to go back to a world without emojis. 😌