Which timezone would win in a conflict?
from sbeak@sopuli.xyz to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 06:09
https://sopuli.xyz/post/34677787

Let’s say people can’t agree on the time to go to bed, and each timezone declared war on every other timezone. Who would win in this conflict? What alliances would form, and will there be betrayal? What would the new world order look like with a standard time for everyone?

GMT+8 looks good with the entire population of China on its side. GMT+1 and +2 have large chunks of Europe and Africa and could be quite strong too. The timezones in the east and west coast of the U.S. might also stand a good chance.

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Geobloke@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 06:19 next collapse

Definitely +8, they have like a third of the world’s population.

The first to lose world be +8.25 they’re at the bottom of Western Australia. There’s roughly 12 people there unless Bruce is passing through. A fuck ton of emu war veterans though. From the side that won

zlatiah@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 11:04 collapse

Not to mention that the entirety of China, a singular political and military entity (a fairly strong one nonetheless), is somehow all +8 due to a technicality

Now all of China knows you’re here!

BlueEther@no.lastname.nz on 04 Oct 06:25 next collapse

+12 would just ignore you all

Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz on 04 Oct 07:37 next collapse

Yeah we would, stay away

piwakawakas@lemmy.nz on 04 Oct 10:51 collapse

MapswithNZ? Wtf?

yakko@feddit.uk on 04 Oct 06:31 next collapse

Any war with this many aggressors who were all opposed to each other absolutely would just look like everyone killing each other at random. Even without nukes, it would be madness on a scale never before seen, resulting in a quieter, nay sleepier world.

Little8Lost@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 06:36 next collapse

How it would work later you can see in china because the point they took for their time zone is an end.
People would simply say something like: which retards came to the idea that 4:20 should in the middle of the suntime??

gazter@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 06:53 collapse

…what?

circledot@feddit.org on 04 Oct 07:23 collapse

Too much 420 probably.

rumschlumpel@feddit.org on 04 Oct 06:38 next collapse

Nah, Europe ain’t shit. I bet the US east coast timezone could beat all of GMT+1 alone even without using nukes.

Nukes kind of create a conundrum, though, because they’re pretty much the reason why the big powers stopped direct warfare between each other. If China, Europe and the US had an outright war, those nukes would probably start dropping, and then everybody loses, but also, it’s kind of difficult to truly know how good a country is at nuclear warfare. GMT+1 is certainly going to lose this, though, each of the 4 US timezone could probably nuke it into oblivion, especially since e.g. Germany already has US army bases that are equipped with nuked on its own ground. But how many nukes China actually has and how good the US’s missile interception systems are? Who knows, maybe they’re just that much better. Though even if the US were theoretically stronger, they’re divided into 4 timezones, and it’s not a given that they’ll automatically ally with each other, which again gives China a huge advantage.

macros@feddit.org on 04 Oct 06:50 collapse

Hey, not country war, timezone war! Those bases? They belong to team GMT+1 now!

rumschlumpel@feddit.org on 04 Oct 07:07 collapse

I suppose that would help, but I’d assume that most nukes are still in the continental US.

elvith@feddit.org on 04 Oct 07:34 collapse

GMT+3 would like a word

bryndos@fedia.io on 04 Oct 07:19 next collapse

Every TZ has a similar amount of tactical nuclear penguins.
The only way to win is not to play.

=> the moon.

TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip on 04 Oct 07:19 next collapse

It would result in the total collapse of the entire time zone system. Every location would switch to local solar time and the war would be over.

When those areas need to communicate with each other, they would develop a new global time system that simply counts seconds from a particular moment in time. Sort of like unix time, but with the epoch set to the moment the new system was launched.

Pumafred9@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 07:27 collapse

Develop a new time global system? We Brits can’t even agree on what to call a bread roll!

TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip on 04 Oct 08:02 next collapse

The rest of the world can use the new standard, and ignore the Brits. They can keep their Brexit while the rest of the world can move on. Everybody wins!

porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml on 04 Oct 10:48 collapse

Everybody wins!

Except the Brits, haha

OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 10:49 collapse

It’s breadcake. Problem solved. No further discussion necessary

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 04 Oct 13:00 collapse

You shut your filthy whore mouth.

Its a cob.

OccamsTeapot@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 13:06 collapse

I will also accept bap.

Corporal_Punishment@feddit.uk on 04 Oct 17:36 collapse

Love some nice baps

tetris11@lemmy.ml on 04 Oct 08:15 next collapse

US and Russia would tear themselves apart internally. That leaves China with the largest functioning army, vs the EU if they can mobilize fast enough

wieson@feddit.org on 04 Oct 08:42 next collapse

+8 or +1 (don’t forget Nigeria)

Apepollo11@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 08:55 next collapse

GMT

We’ve done it before and we’ll do it again.

/s obv

DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 08:58 collapse

UTC

Zagorath@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 09:08 next collapse

Greenwich Mean Time.

Because it’s mean.

peoplebeproblems@midwest.social on 04 Oct 10:55 next collapse

UTC obviously.

Fleur_@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 11:04 next collapse

The one with the entire country of china obviously

INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone on 04 Oct 11:19 collapse

Yeah I’m regretting migrating from West Australia to East…

Enjoy the new hegemony, you dirty ass sand gropers!

Fleur_@aussie.zone on 05 Oct 10:47 collapse

Brother are we the same person?

I don’t regret moving over though lol

INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone on 06 Oct 08:47 collapse

Only a few of us are skilled enough to escape that hot mess.

kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Oct 11:59 next collapse

My money’s on Greenland

Small_Quasar@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 12:08 collapse

Sounds like something a tax dodger would say…

phonics@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 12:12 next collapse

Australians, because they live in the future. Theyll fuck you up yesterday.

ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works on 04 Oct 12:14 next collapse

Wow is that map ever a trainwreck

But -5 stronk like bull

hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 04 Oct 19:00 collapse

Where’s -5? The map’s way too grainy for me to see.

ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works on 05 Oct 11:54 collapse

East coast of North America / West coast of South America

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip on 04 Oct 12:21 next collapse

You can travel from Ucraine to Japan (half the world) and only go through 4 time zones?

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 13:33 next collapse

Probably China. It’s one nation, full of industry and under a single leadership. They could produce whatever they needed. China is one time zone.

Next competitor is the slice encompassing a large number of countries in Africa as well as most of western Europe. Huge number of people and industries contained in that slice, but they lack common leadership.

rbesfe@lemmy.ca on 04 Oct 14:26 next collapse

Poor Newfoundland

HailHydra@infosec.pub on 04 Oct 14:36 next collapse

UTC+08:45 obviously has the biggest military presence and would steamroll every other timezone.

/s

Objection@lemmy.ml on 04 Oct 14:51 next collapse

GMT-11 wins because nobody remembers to nuke them.

foggy@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 18:05 next collapse

China.

Not even a question.

They have 1 time zone.

DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works on 04 Oct 19:00 next collapse

Kiribati wins!

They can just go back in time, DUH!

stinky@redlemmy.com on 04 Oct 19:46 next collapse

There should be no time zones. We don’t need them. It’s 8pm, everywhere on Earth at the same time. Darkness is falling at 8pm in Dublin, but it’s still sunny and bright at 8pm in New York. It would take some adjusting but would remove all of the logic and cost associated with timing a particular place.

nandeEbisu@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 19:55 collapse

Ask people in western China how that’s working for them. And that’s only the width of one country, not a continent or hemisphere.

stinky@redlemmy.com on 04 Oct 21:42 collapse

If your friend is of China’s majority Han ethnicity, you can assume that by 3 o’clock he’s referring to Beijing Standard Time. But if your friend is a Uighur, the largest ethnic minority group in Xinjiang, he might be referring to “local time,” which is two hours behind.

^ this is a problem because of the existence of time zones.

In the summer, for instance, it isn’t uncommon in Urumqi, Xinjiang’s capital, to see people enjoying a beautiful sunset … at midnight

^ this is NOT a problem. there is no inherent issue with the sun being up at midnight.

Time Zones cause more trouble than they’re worth, as you pointed out. I’m recommending removing them.

mapu@slrpnk.net on 05 Oct 01:07 collapse

I think we can arrive to a best-of-both-worlds solution if we just up the tolerance for when solar noon can be to 12:00±2 h. If China just had +7 instead of +8 as their timezone then 99 % of the population would have solar noon in between 10:30 and 13:30. Same applies to the entire EU (excluding Outermost Regions) if it had +1. The entirety of South America and most of the Caribbean would fit in +4. The US could definitely get away with 3 timezones instead of its current 5 (-6, -8, -10).

bitcrafter@programming.dev on 04 Oct 20:12 next collapse

They would all lose because they stretch all the way down into Antarctica which means that the penguins would be involved…

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 00:22 collapse

Hmm how do time zones work at the south pole? Can you run in a small circle and hit most if not all of them?

bitcrafter@programming.dev on 05 Oct 20:09 collapse

Apparently not quite! It looks like you would mostly be stepping back and forth between UTC and its opposite.

Given that time zones are essentially set by the local research stations, I conclude that Chile and Argentina would win the war because their time zone has the most coastland and so they would have the most penguins on their side.

niktemadur@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 21:19 next collapse

China’s cheating, it’s all crammed forcefully into one timezone, Beijing’s!
In far western China in winter, it could be noon and the sun is barely rising over the horizon. Then in summer the sunset might be at around 1am.

TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz on 04 Oct 23:03 next collapse

I never noticed that China only has one time zone. Must be terrible for the people on the west end

niktemadur@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 23:48 collapse

Banking and government office hours!

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 08:08 collapse

Oh and +1 isn’t. Look at it, they put Spain in Berlin’s time zone to appease an angry loser 90 years ago and just left it there

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 04 Oct 21:49 next collapse

The one with Hawaii could just pretend they’ve already been wiped out and wait for everyone else to destroy each other

Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 00:09 next collapse

China.

burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Oct 02:29 next collapse

I think there’s going to be a multi-way tie as the nukes get launched…

brisk@aussie.zone on 05 Oct 07:43 next collapse

+9 appears to be currently shivving +10, so my money is with them

I may have misunderstood the assignment

captainlezbian@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 08:05 next collapse

Either +1 or +8

That said all 4 in America could end life on earth

pyre@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 09:40 collapse

they could but wouldn’t. not for moral reasons but because if you end all life companies that own you wouldn’t make any money.

menas@lemmy.wtf on 05 Oct 10:40 next collapse

I think it’s depend of which kind of war. If it’s obvious for everyone that “they is no way we can agree” from the beginning, so it’s a nuclear preemptive strike from the first timezone aware of the rules. So Europe, China, India and Pakistan are close competitors. US have and Canada shall destroy itself, their nuclear capacities are spread across several “timezone interests”. Funny enough, what may make the difference between Europe, China, India and Pakistan may be the hour when the situation declare itself. If the ruling class is asleep, officer may need to wait to wake them up, as it was during the 1983 false nuclear alarm

If it’s not obvious that their is no way to make agreement, we may see an escalation of conflict, starting with soft and hard power. This scenario may be very close of the current relationships, and the winner may be the main imperialists power : Europe or the US In this scenario, it seems obvious that the US adopt one timezone, and make it adopt for every countries in the North and South America. It’s next move would be to sabotage other negotiations. I didn’t exclude Europe from the competitions, because the neo-colonial relationships may help the expand their timezone in their former colonies. What may make the differences is the attitude of UK and Russa. Depending if they adopt the European timezone or not.

I don’t think the number of people involve in one timezone make a change; this is short term scenarios, and economic and diplomatic power seems unrelated with the population size

sbeak@sopuli.xyz on 05 Oct 11:22 collapse

wait, Canada has nukes?

menas@lemmy.wtf on 05 Oct 12:05 collapse

I thought they where still hosting US one, but it seems that they ended it in 1984 : en.wikipedia.org/…/Canada_and_weapons_of_mass_des…

sbeak@sopuli.xyz on 05 Oct 13:24 collapse

*they *were

I’m sorry, but it really bothered me

stupidcasey@lemmy.world on 05 Oct 15:41 next collapse

Whatever the China Time zone is obviously.

Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf on 05 Oct 16:43 next collapse

My time zone of course!

sbeak@sopuli.xyz on 06 Oct 01:15 collapse

What-or when-is that?

Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf on 06 Oct 06:07 collapse

It’s now!

sbeak@sopuli.xyz on 06 Oct 06:09 collapse

how could I have guessed that

Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf on 06 Oct 06:47 collapse

The proof is in rhe chocolate pudding.

rmuk@feddit.uk on 06 Oct 08:31 collapse

Every military in the world uses UTC so I’m gonna say that.

Otherwise, I’d go for UTC-1 because… well, look at it. There’s no way they could lose because there’s nothing there to lose. Nuke away, boyos, it’s all ocean.

sbeak@sopuli.xyz on 06 Oct 11:38 collapse

Don’t underestimate the might of Cape/Capo Verde and the Canary Islands!