Are there regions of the world where local men and women have divergent accents?
from FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 24 Feb 22:38
https://lemmy.world/post/43540911
from FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 24 Feb 22:38
https://lemmy.world/post/43540911
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All of them?
I think OP means a notable difference in accent between men and women of a given region.
Yeah, that’s what I meant too. Men and women almost universally have different vocal patterns though, even when they ostensibly have the same accent.
I mean, again, most if not all of them. Almost every language there’s slight variations in pronunciation, intonation, vocabulary and pacing between men and women that would otherwise qualify as a “different accent.” It’s more pronounced in some regions and dialects, but most of them have “male” and “female” variations.
Can you give an example? People have different idiolects but slight changes in intonation aren’t usually enough to make an accent of one type distinct from others in that type. Like not everyone with the General American accent sounds exactly the same but you can still say this group is GenAm, this other one is Appalachian, etc.
The vocal creak affect is pretty much unique to English speaking females.
People made up getting upset at vocal fry so they could complain about women
youtu.be/JTslqcXsFd4?t=311
There is one village in Nigeria where the men and women speak different languages. Not sure if that is a satisfactory answer.
That is a profoundly satisfactory answer, opens up a whole new rabbit hole
Seems legit:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubang
Some Slavic languages apparently also have distinct masculine and feminine versions of verbs, which match the speaker if in the first person. Apparently so does Icelandic (to the point where an Icelandic modernist novel was titled “When I Got Pregnant”, though in the masculine form)
Yes and Romance languages of adjectives, not really what OP asked about tho… 😉
That’s basically every Indo-European language except English.
I think that’s adjectives not verbs but then the language in my post may have only been nouns
In Japanese there is speech coded predominantly male and female. This includes word choices and some grammatical ones as well.
This happens in English as well.
At one point, there was an online tool that could determine if a writing sample was done by a man or a woman, and it was 95% accurate. This was the pre-LLM days, so it was a fairly simple script, just comparing word choices and grammar.
I would say in English you need a tool to analyze the text; in Japanese your ears can do this job.
Any men seeking to learn Japanese from their local girlfriend, be warned: you will sound a bit gay to everyone for awhile. Fortunately, this is common enough that most Japanese won’t razz you for it
Those aren’t really accents. In many Slavic languages, the declination of verbs is gender-specific in the past tense and conditionals. The form is -l for masculine and -la for feminine. You can pronounce it -lǝ (emphasize the schwa that comes at the end of -l) to be vague about it, use the -lo neutrum (dehumanizing), or, to also sound sassy, one of the plural forms -li (default), -ly (all female or neutral, pronounced the same as -li) or -la (all neutral). Yeah, no good gender-neutral options yet.
That’s just grammatical gender, something like half of all languages has some form of it.
I took Japanese in college and I didn’t realize until I started talking to actual Japanese people that the classes were teaching me the girliest princess honorifics possible lol
One of the many debated claims about Pirahã is that female speakers can’t use the phoneme /h/, always substituting /s/ instead.
Beverly Hills
Right?? So i’m not just imagining it 😅
Does this stem from the Valley Girl trend of the 80s?
Thats Where I Want To Be!
Puerto Rican Spanish, the men speak a more ‘street’ less formal dialect, while women speak a more formal dialect. Heavily influenced by music.
Like these guys?
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No, not the right country or the right stereotype. Like men might shorten ‘muchacho’ to ‘chacho’ while women would be saying ‘muchacha.’
I am told that in the movie Dances with Wolves, all the language consultants were women, and as a result all the characters speak with a noticable “women’s accent” that is very noticablevto older Lakota viewers.
Thank you so much! I was worried this was a laughable idea but your comment shows it’s quite a well documnted phenomenon
There are a bunch of cultures where a ‘sacred language’ is permitted only for men, or there are distinct languages used by only men and only women. Unfortunately, my memory isn’t so good as to remember what those languages are. A quick search shows that the Kallawaya language is a ‘secret language’ passed down usually from father to son, and to daughters only if a man has no sons.
Check out ‘Gender role in language’ and the topic of genderlects; Gender differences in Japanese; Nüshu script.
You could also try looking through above-mentioned sacred languages and ritual languages for whether it’s mentioned that any of them are specific to a gender.
Maybe the US to some extent because of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_fry_register
Interesting video on the topic youtu.be/Q0yL2GezneU
I love the clip from “Louder Milk” that they use. I would’ve thought it was enough to nip the epidemic in the bud, embarassing all vocal deep-friers into working on themselves.
Fascinating stuff.
Kashyyk probably
Look like a black Wookiee when he let his beard grow
Weirdo, brown skinned-ed, always kept his hair low
Rumors has it it’s a S-Curl accident
Thai has some different words and accents used by male and female speakers. best source i could find with a quick search though i’d have liked a more detailed one.
California. In the 90s, women started up-talking, that fucking annoying habit of saying everything as if it were a question.
I get calls at work from people who talk like that and it drives me fucking crazy lol
Valley Girl vs Surfer Guy
Yes, but it’s usually very subtle (e.g. in realizations of single phonemes or in intonation). There are also more extreme cases which other commenters have pointed out.
I recommend you look up sociolects and sociolinguistics.
They’re a subsect of sociolects known as genderlects.
Not common, but they exist.