18-26 year olds, How do you plan to dodge the draft?
from Ryoae@piefed.social to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 06:56
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from Ryoae@piefed.social to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 11 Mar 06:56
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Since Diaper Donnie is soon going to be rubbing his hands in glee to send Americans now into his meat grinder over wars he starts, how do you plan to avoid the draft?
I’m too old to join, thank god. Too old and too out of shape for them to bother caring. Plus a lot of psychological issues that will make me more likely shoot my superior that’s telling me I need to kill innocents to help king pedo succeed in his bullshit missions.
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It is like dodging a ball right? Sounds easy.
If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a draft.
Just remember the 5 "D"s of dodgeball and you’ll be alright:
Dodge,
Duck,
Dip,
Dive, and uh…
Dodge!
It’s all about aerodynamics.
Everybody, tell them this!
It could be a beautiful strategy to avoid the draft.
Fragging is back on the menu, boys! /s
Uh, yeah. Let us know how it goes.
Autist here, i refuse orders on principle, the only way people can get me to do anything is to have me decide that i agree on doing so.
My expectations if i was ever forced in a military setting would be to get punished for Insubordination at a constant rate, i assume to get beaten, locked up, be given the extra shitty food (which i just wouldn’t eat).
When it comes to being put under pressure i have a lifetime of experience. They can hurt, torture me all they want but will never rule over my independent thoughts.
I am no hero, nor a vigilante but simply holding on to what i know is right is what gives me strengt. And while i expect coming out bruised, broken and traumatised it will stil not be close to the horrors my own mind will inflict on me for going against my nature.
Whether I would actually shoot someone giving me orders, depends on the person, the context and the orders. But chances are they will already know i am more trouble then worth something to them and wont be handed a weapon.
insubordination in time of war generally means court marshall and life in prision or execution under extreme circumstances.
Its one thing to say you will do it and another to do it and accept the unknown but likely extremely bad repercussions.
Its another thing to literally be so autistic that the extremely bad repercussions simply don’t matter.
It wouldn’t really be a choice on my part. If society finds my existence so offensive they execute me for it thats a problem for their conscious not mine, i will die some day anyway and i am content to do so for not betraying what i know is right.
Feels bad for my family though but being an example of making unethical compromises is worse.
Good thing our cowardly Congress won’t actually declare war then.
Isn’t it the logical thing to do?
I mean, actually killing the innocent is out of the question. Shrug.
So what are my options, what can I do?
If I sit there and do nothing, that boss shoots me, and then he simply orders the next one to kill the innocent. No good option.
If I kill myself, the same as above.
Only if I kill that boss, then the source of the trouble is fixed. The only option to fix it.
No, I am not in a position to try it out. Much too old and much too far away from Usa.
This was about things to say in the interview at the draft board. What do you think will happen, if you say stuff like that?
“Put me in jail for refusing to kill civilians for another country’s resources. Your regime will not last as long as my sentence.”
Bonus points if something huge happens while you’re saying that and the regime literally all dies before you finish saying that sentence.
Oooh double meaning on sentence, I like it.
It’d be like the reverse of that Futurama ‘war were declared’ scene :D
“You’re going to jail and when you’re done you’re joining the battlefield anyway… unless war were undeclared.”
(Phone rings and is picked up)
(Indistinct speech)
(Hangs up)
“What was that?”
“War were undeclared.”
People in this comment thread seem to think it’s like one commanding officer in a room with them, so they do 1v1 combat like it’s a flipping video game.
Good point Fragging works well for multi kill achievements.
I was imagining a tent full of them while I’m outside with explosives tbh
It’s funny how a small group of people can make 99% of the world do heinous things they don’t necessarily want to do but the masses rarely fight back. Tyrants will never be afraid when they know nobody will ever do anything effective against them. Noone can convince me we aren’t already in at least the first ring of hell based on how fucked up this world is.
If you haven’t read about the Milgram Experiment, it’s a fascinating, and disheartening journey into notions of authority and compliance. In short… Milgram’s finding was that most people do what they’re told–even when they known it’s wrong–simply because they’re told to do it.
I have read about it and I have issues with it, at least the original study. The participants signed up for an experiment run by a Yale professor so I’m sure a lot of them didn’t think this would cause serious damage if any damage in reality. The participants signed up knowing they would get paid.
Not that money would excuse them for “harming” people but in combination with what would appear to be a professionally run experiment by a reputable school, I don’t think people would necessarily assume this was some kind of actual murder room.
Now if the experiment was to give randomly selected participants off the street a gun and tell them to shoot a puppy for no money, I think the results would differ.
I definitely think this experiment has issues, but I think the reasons you mentioned make it more applicable to the military though not other scenarios. Bc soldiers are meant to obey orders above all else. Their commanders aren’t random people, they’re meant to be the authorities who know what’s a war crime and what’s not. Now, obviously that’s not true, or if they do know they don’t necessarily give a shit, but this all sets up a permission structure that it’s “okay” to follow orders even if it seems kinda wrong
I mean the exact problems you outline are the very reason the experiment is useful.
You give someone an order from authority regardless if it’s real or not. Then give them money to make it seem legit.
They will do basically fucking anything.
People don’t question, it’s the same reason you can basically walk into secure areas on accident with a pizza. Which is a WIERDLY common problem.
People assume things are fine if they appear fine and are told they are.
The phrase “Yes, officer, please put me in a building with access to weapons and military officials.” Is a very useful tool.
On of my ancestors cut his two fingers off to escape the Russian draft decades and decades ago. I’m not in America and I think I might be disqualified anyway if I were, but I wonder if that’s a modern strategy that could work. It does sound a bit drastic…
God that must have been bleak, watching the USSR collapse, congress burning on TV, followed by years of hunger and finding out you might get sent to die for some oligarchs in Russia in Chenchnya.
My German great grandpa was a pacifist and got around being drafted into WW1 and WW2 by pretending to be an alcoholic. He apparently barely ate and lived only from booze and cigarettes for a month. He went to the draft office underweight and shaking and they pretty much sent him home immediately. Unfortunately he did some actual damage to his liver with it but I guess it’s better than getting blown to bits for the Emperor or the Nazis.
God, he must have really committed to the act to do acutte liver damage in 30 days
Did he have fun at least? How much sauce was that per day?
I guess it’s not something he wanted to take any chances with. His father was fairly high up in the Austro-Hungarian military, so he knew what the frontline was like.
He still lived a long and decently healthy life and died in his 80s. Never drank or smoked again though.
Good for him, lucky the liver is respawnable
Or it was retrospective.
“Frank what the fuck have you been doing while I was away visiting my family?”
“Um, er, ah, dodging the draft! Yeah, that’s it. Certainly not a month long bender.”
😜
Just shit your pants for a week straight before going to the draft office, like Ted Nugent
Not an american, but my country has a mandatory lottery style conscription system :3… I did end up with my name in it once, but I never got past the medical evaluation :3 failed the psychological tests lol. It did end up with me getting a military mandated mental hospital visit™ tho, which is a fun story to tell
Story time?
Story time!
TW for mental health and SH I guess :3
So, this was a few years ago now, but I got conscripted for military service, and at that point you’re supposed to go to recruitment stuff, and medical evaluations and all that. At the medical check up they did a bunch of tests, eyes, feet, spine, heart, and so on, and then eventually it got to the psychological bit. First was a go to the psychologist there, and it was all the standard stuff of fill out a questionnaire, then go in and talk to the psychologist about it, whatever. At the time I was pretty depressed, had a lot of anxiety, and also self harmed, which of course I answered without lying. They ask to see my SH scars, which I showed, and then they wrote some stuff down and sent me across the hall to talk to a psychiatrist, they again ask about the stuff I filled out, and eventually ask to see the scars, which I show, and they basically say “you don’t need to any more tests today, go to such and such mental hospital, say it’s for this military thing blah blah blah” and so on. (I cut myself on my legs, so to this day that remains the only time a mental health professional has asked me to take off my pants) Anywho I register to go there in a few days, and it’s much of the same process, talk to the psychologist, they ask about my life and parents and relationships (was kinda like a therapy session lol), talk to a psychiatrist, talk to the psychologist again… Eventually I get taken to another building, they tell me to wait while they fill some stuff out, then I got taken into the office to answer some questions in front of a bunch of doctors about myself and how I feel about the military service thing, and at the end they hand me a large sealed envelope to deliver to the military recruitment centre, which I do, and then im officially dismissed from the military :3… and I got paid like 20 bucks or something like that for the day I was technically in the military lol
Cases of bone spurs on the rise.
But those only help if your daddy’s rich
Can they use the traditional excuse of bone spurs?
Way to accept the premise of the question. Time to watch Full Metal Jacket.
If you’re going to die anyway, you might as well all band together and storm the (what’s left of) the white house and take the fcker down with you.
The rest of the world would name national holidays after you and hail you as a hero.
I’m too old, but remember doing this planning after 9/11. (FWIW, if it didn’t happen then, it’s really likely not going to happen now, but you never know. Always good to have a plan.) Here he’s some options:
First option: conscientious objectors are still allowed. Go join a Buddhist temple (treeleaf.org is an online one). But you have to commit. Be a member in good standing, take the precepts, actually participate. Similarly, you can be exempted if you’re a priest. Do you genuinely think that aliens are angels and that the alien god Raël is our savior? Great! Start a local Ralean church and start preaching. Do it on YT! Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Perfect! We need more Pastafarians to get it legally recognized in more states.
Second option: Mental Health Disqualifications. An ADHD diagnosis CAN sometimes be enough to get a deferral (but Petey might sign a blanket waiver). Gender dysphoria as well, and with this administration, they’re so trans-phobic that seems like a slam dunk (assuming there’s no trans gulag you’ll end up at). The important part to any mental health disqualification is treatment or meds in the last 12 months (24 months maybe).
Third option: Stay in school, kids. Regular university attendance still is ground for a deferral…today at least. Grad school? PhD program? Might be worth the application fee.
Fourth option: Leaving the country. A lot of people ended up in Canada during Vietnam. Digital nomad visas are easy to get in a lot of places. An alternative to this would be Peace Corps service, which would let you defer being drafted until your service is done. You can extend up to 5 years in the same country. Also a large number of people in PC during Vietnam. Considering it survived when USAID didn’t, I’d say anyone qualified might as well start applying now as it can take up to a year to a placement.
Last option: Be the sole income earner for your family. So marry someone - anyone - and be employed, preferably in an industry that won’t go away during a draft (sorry, DoorDash isn’t going to cut it). I had a grand parent who was a welder during WWII who wasn’t drafted based on this one.
For anyone considering transitioning to dodge the draft, please consider you may actually be transgender, approaching transition from a direction that relieves guilt over gender conformity is pretty common.
I’d be careful with the mental health one given how they’ve been positioning to send people with ADHD to “wellness farms” and lord knows what they’d do with trans draft dodgers.
Yeah, I didn’t want to go the extra step and suggest that whatever a bunch of transphobes decide is “gender dysmorphia” will get people sent to a conversion gulag, but we were all thinking it, right?
Do what that Canadian teacher (in Hamilton I believe) who got the fake massive tits
The last several wars didn’t have a draft.
The toddler in chief doesn’t care about history, precident, rules, you, your children, your opinions or who he kills.
I’m not disagreeing with any of that. But I feel like the hard line for me is if he’s officially running for a 3rd term. That would be the only line left to cross.
Officially running for a third term better be the line.
The only line he should have ever crossed is the dash between the years of birth and death on his tombstone.
Why the fuck is that the line and not any one of like a thousand fucking things he’s done in the past year
But goldfish brain Americans forgot the slaughter of Vietnam and an average age of 19 for the dead.
They didn’t “fall”, they were killed.
Well, I’m disabled/neurodivergent. So really I technically shouldn’t be able to get drafted (I’m saying this with the knowledge I gained back when I wanted to join the Marines when I was 15 that the Military doesn’t usually enlist people with either autism or ADHD. And I have both. )
Ever heard of selective service?
Lot of things congress supposed to be involved in that they don’t seem to care about recently
The Military Selective Service Act was passed in 1948 and registrees were drafted during both the Korean and Vietnam Wars to draft 1,529,539 and 1,857,304 individuals, rezpectively.
Would measles be a way out? It is on the rise in america.
Obligatory
https://youtu.be/wmYLR4fcg2k
Just gonna give them a rundown on my politics
I’m 28 but I’d do it by not being American. Can we leave the American defaultism behind on Reddit?
Here fucking here
Reminds me of an old lyric by John Prine…“She was a level-headed woman, on the road to alcohol, and I was just a soldier, on my way to Montreal”.
Do you think they’d actually bring back the draft? I feel like after Vietnam they realized that it’s too hard to send the general population to do terrible shit without getting a lot of pushback. A professional military that’s already filtered out anyone with a conscience is half of why they can just do shit like this while most of the country doesn’t want it. Plus technology has improved a lot, allowing a smaller force to do the same thing.
As for me. I’m already out of that age range, but I’ve already been wanting to move for a while. Maybe that would be the last kick in the pants necessary to get me to actually do it. But with the depression it’s still kind of a coin flip so….
The US government has been investing billions into AI, drones, and other autonomous and remote weapons systems.
Sending a bunch of young men to the opposite side of the world would be not just unpopular, it incredibly expensive. Food, clothing, equipment, healthcare costs. I highly doubt the end goal is to actually annex Iran, so they’re much better off trying to find a local group to support in taking over the country and establishing a US-friendly puppet state. There’s no need to have Americans in guerilla warfare for that.
The only way I see them doing that is if they WANT to kill off a chunk of the male population in that age group. Which… Maybe? I could certainly see Trump and Hegseth trying to send “undesirables” overseas to die, but they’ve also made moves like banning trans people from military service. Unless they reverse policies, it looks like Trump will prefer to cozy up to the military rather than use it as a tool for getting rid of people.
Maybe Trump will just do what Netenyahu tells him to. But I think this is more about trying to manufacture a reason to cancel mid-term elections like they outlined in 2025 than anything else. With the added benefit of funneling more government money into the military-industrial complex.
The important question is whether THEY think they’ll bring back the draft; and the answer is yes, they are thinking of that very thing. Young men - they’ll bar women - will go and die, just to keep the Epstein files sealed by any distraction possible. Any fight, any time, anything big and bloody.
(Because if you listen to the one witness, it’s just even so much more heinous than even this)
The DoD thinks its a dumb idea to have a draft as the quality of the fighting force is degraded and other Incentives work better. The problem is facts and good reasoning are not something that the current administration is known for. Half want a Holy war to bring about Armageddon. The other half will do it based on something they see on social media.
I mean we are talking about an administration that things tarriffs are great and constantly swaps them around and also that sending paramilitary into cities is great. trying to get rid of abortion and straight up suggesting woman should not vote.
On one hand a draft would be extremely daft on many fronts. It would make an unpopular president far more unpopular, it would put guns into the hands of a ton of disgruntled people, and there’s generally plenty of willing recruits based purely off of the economic benefits of volunteering
On the other hand, the way his administration is talking to the media it really sounds like they’re trying to lay the groundwork for a draft, including most notably saying why Trump’s youngest son “isn’t eligible to be drafted” (any normal politician would explain why their kid was “choosing not to enlist”)
They’re explicitly creating a database of people they don’t like. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a draft that only selected people from that list to send to die. However, I could also see that backfiring pretty bad. Training them up to use weapons and fight, and handing them rifles, probably isn’t the smartest move.
Why dodge when you can frag?
By being Canadian. Y’all can come live in my basement, my little American basement babies.
That’s one of the greatest acts of friendship y’all keep offering us. It’s always been appreciated
Thanks homie. I’ll cook every night.
Man, you’re WAY more charitable than I!
In 2016, I offered formal asylum to a few dangerously leftist US friends of mine.
This time 'round (2024) I publicly revoked it. I’m done with the country as a whole. They need to stay there and figure their shit out.
Your basement doesn’t have Steve French living down there, right?
What any French Stewart?
Back when I was young I was just glad I was hard of hearing.
Surely Donald will close the bone spurs loophole
Fight for an Independent California.
Was in the Marines before, hated it and left to go to school. Would never think about joining back up. However I actually unironically would be willing to fight for California to be its own country, America is already on decline and society is fucked in general.
Aside from that maybe I’d expatriate and go to my mother’s home country in Central America and try to improve things there.
Wait that’s an option? 👀
Hmm I guess I’ll just die. 🤷♂️
Maybe I’ll find my faith into Buddhism or something lmao. (cuz buddists can’t do violence so you have religious exemption)
Oh yea btw, my mom called me weak and cowardly and unmannly and once told me “You should join the military so you can become more ‘Manly’ and ‘brave’”
I was like “Sureee mom, so when WW3 breaks out and they deploy me to Taiwan, I get to shoot at China’s PLA soldiers…” (context: my family is from China) then mom got mad at me and told me that I’m so weak no military would ever accept me anyways… lmfao.
So if I get drafted and die in war… maybe my mom will finally be happy that her son “died a man” or whateverz…
“Oh, Mrs. McGraw” the sergeant said, “Would you like to make a soldier out of your son Ted?”
by being in a country that doesnt have a draft and by being trans
Same boat man. I’ve seen enough shit I’d probably blast my superiors too.
I hear they don’t let trans people in. Could try that
that’s how you end up in a labor camp making military drones instead
Labor camp if you do, labor camp if you don’t. Unless you’re a 14yo biological girl. There’s a different camp for you.
If you’re lucky
Completely unrelated, but Simple Sabotage Field Manual was a fun little read.
Ngl, given how much the average transfemme enjoys tech and building 40k minifigs, I think they would get some enthuastic volunteers. Hell, a lot of them will bring their own cages.
You might want to specify a country here.
We know where you are, but you’re not the centre of the universe.
I am at the center of the universe! Please help, there’s no air only this blackish looking hole. Also no good taco places. Send help!
It literally says Americans and mentions Trump by name. Was that not specific?
He did say Americans, but anyway it’s a valid question for other countries too.
In Denmark we just introduced the draft for women too. I’m not sure what my girls are going to choose when they get old enough. We do have to the option to deny it simply by claiming to be pacifist, so I’m not worried, just curious on what they’ll choose.
Why would they draft me? I’ve never even been to the US!
Don’t worry, they’ll come to you
What are you doing on our American internet???
I don’t think Trump could end his presidency faster than by invoking a draft.
So what you’re saying… just so I’m clear and we both are on the same page:
Are insinuating the some are born to wave the flag (the red white and blue) but that ain’t you? Well that is unfortunate, son.
I think so too, however I’ve thought that about so many things that he ended up getting away with
Trump can’t. Congress can.
Right just like Trump can’t declare war.
War powers resolution allows the President to initiate limited military actions that can then be later affirmed or denied by Congress…
He has up to 2 months…
War powers resolution is a defensive exception to the rule:
Just say you have adhd or some other ailment and require a lot of meds. For most of you that’s probably true. Hell, my medication pile is bigger than my meals.
They will waive that if they have to, plus RFK wants to get rid of those along with SSRIs.
“They will waive that if they have to”
“If”
“they have to”
The further down you are on the list the less likely they’ll need you… and the more time you have to visit you’re cousin overseas if it starts looking to hot outside… in Minecraft of course.
The second thing is rfk can get rid of whatever he wants but people are going to need that thing still. He can ban heart medicine but when a recruiter asks about your health you can still bring up your are supposed to be on medicine and you can’t function without it.
The heart condition excludes you regardless… or… moves you down the list and you have more time to play Minecraft before you have to go visit that cousin of yours.
RFK wants to send people with ADHD and autism to labor camps. I don’t think having ADHD puts you lower on the list
Good luck getting us to work effectively lol
That’s rfk just being stupid. He doesn’t have that kind of power.
Also that’s a massive swath of the population it’s not that easy. It would take a lot of time and resources. Which gives me time to go see my cousins.
I don’t think “getting us to work effectively” is really the goal for concentration camps though
I get what you’re saying and to put away all the jokes….
Yes it would be exactly the goal because of capitalism. The camps would be private owned (probably by trump)
They would have very short food and a high workload.
It’s not dub dub dos. Labor camps won’t be death camps but they will be work you to death camps. Privately owned slavery.
People with adhd work well in groups… but a group of 200 all with adhd… you aren’t going to get a lot done.
That sounds like a problem…
I admit it’s a very big problem. I once heard of a guy eating a head of lettuce at his sink while pouring ranch on it.
That’s funny in a depressing way. Single guy eating lettuce over sink. Now that seems like it’s going to be all of us really soon. “There’s no water so we all have to eat over b the sink because we can’t use dishes and all we could afford at the grocery was these potatoes and some garlic spray. Be careful children the potatoes is hot and you have to use your hands to eat it”
Sorry I’m kind of a pessimistic person right now lol
Autism Spectrum Disorders are actually a disqualifying factor, in particular, found in DoD Instruction 6130.03, Volume 1, Paragraph 6.28©.
Take an opiate before I go in and nod out in the line or seat or interview or whatever.
Also talk about how you’ve had to be on the opiates to come to terms with figuring out that you might be a different gender.
Boom. No war for you.
(I’m not really conscription age)
yeah thats not gonna fly. you’re gon a have to prove a history of drug abuse and mental illness for that to disqualify you, and for being transgender to disqualify you you have to have already started medically transitioning
Man if you go in there nodding out and drooling on the desk I feel like they’re not giving you a gun and you couldn’t go to basic training until you went through treatment you would tell them.
What’s there to prove? You showed up high AF on opiates and are very clearly (in their eyes) a drug addict if you do that.
Same principle as the weed doctor. You just need a therapist willing to sign off on whatever you tell them. Quite honestly it’s probably even easier than that, normal intake for drug abuse is a questionnaire about usage history.
So what all young men should be doing now is going to get drug abuse treatment just to get the intake paperwork done. Tell them you’ve been using since you were 13 and can’t stop. Give them a phone number one digit off from yours if you don’t want a phone call to remind you to come to treatment since you’re just trying to establish a history.
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Not of age, I got through the “draft period” during GWB. The US probably won’t have a draft, mainly because we have a sizeable “volunteer” military.
However, if I was drafted, I would talk to my draft board about how I’ve read books about fragging, and how all I can think about is how powerful that is, for one man with one weapon on the inside to destroy or disrupt the chain of command. Then do your best Private Pyle “Seven Six Two millimeter. Full Metal jacket!” imitation. The military doesn’t care about sending untrained and unqualified conscripts into an active war, but I doubt they will take someone who seems to have uncontrollable fantasies about shooting their own officer.
Didn’t vietnam have an extremely high rate of officer friendly fire casualties? I thought this was actually a major component of ending the draft.
I’m pretty sure it is not illegal to say how you just like seeing dead bodies, even if it’s your own commander.
You’re not threatening anybody. You’re just sharing preferences.
Probably a good idea to start teaching the young guns about grenading.
Fragging. It often isn’t done with literal grenades.
Lot cooler when it is though.
Why?
Congress would need to pass legislation to enact a draft.
I’m not sure if they do. Considering the way the Trump Administration operates it’s very possible they would just declare one and start drafting people. Any lawsuit would take years to happen cuz the Supreme Court would push it back.
Although even if they did have to I’m not sure if that would be an impediment. Every single Republican will vote for whatever he tells them to. So it could pass in the house. As for the Senate if Trump gets rid of the filibuster as he seems primed to do right this moment then it would be easy.
All questions are stupid until they’re not.
Definitely better to ask stupid questions than none at all.
Geniuenly curious if you could just say “I am Muslim Alhamdulillah” and they refuse to draft you for this one.
Straight to a concentration camp probably.
Don’t count on getting to choose where they deport you.
They aren’t going to have a draft, they will just destroy the economy so young people have no other option but to volunteer for the military if they want to eat/feed their families.
More like,print lots of money to give to defense companies and enrich themselves so they can gaslight the rest of us by claiming the numbers are good, the economy is great
I took inspiration from Arlo Guthrie and I pre-emptively got a fine for littering so I have a criminal record and thus would be rejected.
Yeah but was it all documented by twenty-seven 8x10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one?
Won’t matter; justice is blind.
When the US goes to war the recruitment waivers get really liberal. I think the only thing that’s automatically disqualifying are serious violent felonies and cases involving sexual assault.
Whoosh
German here, so provably not applicable as it was 17 years ago (jeez) and a climate when they were just getting rid of it (only to reintroduce it again this year)
I avoided “Wehrdienst” by rolling in hungover with sunglasses and a Hawaiian shirt, botching their written test and telling them how much I enjoy going to leftist demonstrations and how I can’t wait to hold a weapon in my hand.
I think they don’t enjoy the idea of arming and training leftists.
I have autism and E category. That means in case of war I will be exterminated, by enemy army instead of being drafted to army.
I dont live in the US, but I had the same thoughts when Germany announced its plans on how to gather more meat for the military. Currently there are no crafts, but I for sure know my plan if its going to happen:
First of all, I Am trans and therefore dependant on medication (my HRT), ssecond is, that my whole body is basically fucked. I can not do a single pushup and will probably never in my life be able to do them again. As soon as I flex my left arm with just a little bit if resistance I can always feel something “snapping around” in my joint and that shit hurts quite bad if I continue to do exercises beside that. Next is, that I Am very tall and I already have back problems.
Finally, if my medical condition isnt enough, I will for sure appear to the draft stoned as hell. That motherfucker of a drug test is going to glow in the dark due to me making sure in prior, that AS many different drugs as possible will appear in it.
Edit: Ya all gave me great ideas, about telling them that I really like leftwing extremism.
Germany are fairly likely to fall lock step in with Israel for the war, the genocide experience will likely come in handy. Old and new methods, sharing tech, it will be a great relationship for the spineless.
Not to break anyone’s spirits but I find it funny many of you believe your age, sexual orientation, health issues, etc., will matter to people like this. If they want you they are going to try to send you. These people don’t seem to care about many laws so what’s stopping them from sticking their most disliked groups straight to battle?
Yeah, people don’t realize that Project 100k was a thing during the last draft. You think Forrest and Bubba made it through boot camp on their own? No, they were part of Project 100k.
You think your autism is going to get you out of the draft? Have you ever met a marine? They’re all on the fucking spectrum. And if your autism is too noticeable, they’ll fast-track you straight to the front lines.
That seems a bit on the nose
I still find it hard to believe it could happen, and certainly dont want to be proven wrong. Probably helps that I wouldn’t be eligible.
So the average person is out of shape, overweight, and knows nothing about the military or how to use weapons. Army boot camp may be only 10 weeks, but you have a very unready population and war has gotten much more complicated than it used to be. I find it hard to believe even the war-mongering fools currently running the us, would get us into something big enough and long-running enough for a draft to make a worthwhile difference.
Look at Iran. They might have started a never-ending war, but the approach is to sit back and bomb it. That won’t lead to a draft
Stepping back a bit, what about Iraq? That’s a bigger question since I don’t think we have the readiness to do that again, and it did require a ton of people. But they never instituted a draft, and the buildup was far too quick for one to be useful. … although that was also an international presence and the current regime is making sure that will never happen again
Then we get to Putin. Look at everything he’s gone through to avoid a draft, despite getting his country bogged down starting an absolutely brutal war resulting in hundreds of thousands of Russians killed or maimed. We all make the agent krasnov jokes, but there’s far more in common from one tyrant to another than any of us like
never felt so lucky to have a T4-L4 spinal fusion & epilepsy
Thank the lord for your knackered spine and frothing at the mouth! I thought I was lucky cos my disability means I very occasionally don’t have to stand in a queue
Thank you for putting this all in one place!
-Your cloud-based Palantir agent
Just act gay or trans and come into the recruiter wearing a Mexican flag.
Welcome to the Penal Legion
Itd be really funny if a natiomal epidemic of bonespurs happened
Itd also be really funny if a national epidemic of boners happened
But less funny if a national epidemic of bonerspurs happened
I’m pretty sure sure I don’t qualify. I have ADHD, Tourette’s, and I think I’m autistic. Not to mention that I may or may not be trans (I’ve considered it but I’m not really sure) and I think with all of those combined I would not be allowed
You know during the vietnam war a hegseth chud by the name of Robert McNamara specifially chose people who were developmentally disabled for the draft. Many of them died and he thought it was a good thing. My son is autistic and I fell like this is something these evil pricks will do without hesitation.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000
Yeah… As someone who grew up on military bases, mental ailments do not exclude you from the service.
What are you, a cop? Anyone who is actually planning to dodge shouldn’t be posting their ideas publicly.
I mean it’s literally as simple as claiming your trans. Trump was legit pissed at Hegsath cuz somehow Trump is smarter than him and knew people would do that if Hegsath banned trans people from the military.
Being trans only bars you from service if you’re actively undergoing treatment (like HRT). So no, it isn’t as “simple” as you make it sound.
Heritage Foundation is working on making HRT illegal.
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This (googles estradiol valerate) …GAL knows whats up.
There’s a lot of assumptions going on here. First of all, historically 26 wasn’t the maximum for the draft but 40, but secondly there’s really no rules for a draft. A draft is already so much of an encroachment on one’s human rights and legal rights that all bets are off should one be declared. Sure there’ll be court orders and legal battles over it but we’ve seen how that goes already with the current administration, they’ll simply delay and ignore while shuffling as many humans out of reach as possible until they can’t anymore.
Best thing any of us can do is simply hope for the best. My personal hopes are, in order of declining positivity:
There’s really no other planning for such an eventuality. There’s too many unknowns you can plan for, and while I’m seeing plenty of folks talking about fragging, taking drugs or establishing a false history of drug abuse, transitioning, etc. the fact is there’s no telling what will happen nor what the legal landscape will look like
Brb, getting an autism diagnosis from my doctor
Plot twist: you now get to go to one of RFK Jr’s farms
Enlistment in the Coast Guard would skyrocket. Maybe even the Space Force.
Did I miss some news (which is entirely possible) about a draft, or is this just Lemmy being dramatic again?
Lemmy is being dramatic. Not that it’s impossible, but the US will recall all the recent eas’d active duty members first. It will have to be a drawn out war before they start talking about enstating the draft.
If you haven’t heard about vets getting recalled then the draft isn’t anywhere near close to an idea. Why train new people when you can recall already trained ones?
They gonna run to Canada. They old Vietnam war trick.