Haven’t you heard? America is Exeptional, we are the Indispensible Nation. We never need help, because we perfected Democracy. Anyone who says otherwise will be sent to CECOT…
Holy crap an admin. Lol. Well what I was going to say if he or she is from France, I wanted to say thank you because I felt more like a human being who is appreciated by being a nurse than I ever have.
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 13:48
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While we’re on the topic, is there like an online form I can fill out to request an invasion from another country?
Come on, Europe, flush out these fascists and let us fill England’s spot!
I suspect you’re going to get mostly sarcasm and mockery tropes but there have always been countries that have allied themselves with American interests. When you say “when help when needed”, if you’re thinking of an actual war on home turf, invasion or something similar, that’s unlikely to ever happen due to our geographical position. If you mean financial help, we take loans from a lot of different countries. If you’re asking about assistance when we engage in war elsewhere, again, that would be all the allied nations.
Militarily speaking, the US is still one of the superpowers just because of the mind-boggling amount of money we spend on it. There’s not many countries that can compete with just the sheer number of US things that are designed to go boom.
Things like goodwill and assistance are currently in a downward transitional trend due to the current administration. It seems a lot of countries feel ostracized by the US due to Trump’s constant foolish and often hostile actions towards them but these types of things follow an ebb and flow, the next administration to reside in office will begin the process of patching things up and relationships will improve.
I am one of those people who engaged in the sarcasm and mockery, particularly mocking American Exceptionalism. But you can argue that American position as an Indispensible Nation is (well, perhaps was) a real thing. But it’s important to acknowledge that status was not accorded to us because we’re special, but because we aligned our interests to many of the world’s democracies. They didn’t follow us because of any inherent birthright, they followed because we shared their values and interests.
John Kerry got skewered when he implied that American interests might be subject to a “global test”, but he was 100% correct. Other countries backed us because we backed them. If looking to America for leadership is no longer in their best interest, they will shop somewhere else for leadership.
And that’s what makes Trump so insidious. Generations of Americans (politicians, service people, etc.) put this country in a position of respect, and this guy is tossing it all out the window by being a pety asshole who doesn’t listen.
spittingimage@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 20:16
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the next administration to reside in office
Unless the US’ current trajectory changes sharply, I don’t think there are going to be any more elections.
I know it’s very popular for the doomsayers to propose but time will tell and I’m guessing we’ll have another election or two. Perhaps even three.
Four’s not out of the question.
southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
on 15 Jun 19:10
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Well, you run into the trouble of “help with what”
We do still have plenty of treaties, and the allies that go with them. So long as we don’t break those treaties, those allies are likely to provide the kind of help they cover.
If you mean “help us get rid of the fascists”, nobody yet because the fascists haven’t been stupid enough to try and export it in ways that violate treaties, so it’s an internal matter.
Even if the US devolves into civil war, don’t expect to see external military assistance being provided to any sides involved until and unless there’s no other choice.
However, there’s a good chance that US refugees would be welcomed to some degree in most of our allied nations. If refugees could get there. Canada would only take so many, and would otherwise have to play adoption agency, which they might not be willing to do. Same with Mexico. You might see some people fleeing via water, but where would they go that would either accept them or help them to other nations that would?
So, we aren’t without help. It just might not be the kind of help you want.
With all of that in mind, chances are high that at least some of our allies would try to get assistance into the country to back whatever factions they support. Dunno if that’s help or not, but it is what it is.
spittingimage@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 20:14
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And what exactly would we do to help? Invade? Arrest your leaders? Station peacekeepers inside your borders?
Greece and Turkiye have that problem - not a war or anything but they have an open conflict about territorial waters and islands that’s been going on for a long time. No one wants to get involved.
so I guess it depends on who in NATO the US gets shitty (shittier) with - most big countries in Europe act like they’re ready to stand up, but we’ll see if they actually get physically involved or if it’s more finger wagging. Looking at Greenland…
RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world
on 15 Jun 22:42
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Our first and second amendments cover these things.
When you say most countries, which countries are you talking about?
And if you’re wondering where the US goes for help, I’m not sure what you mean, but there have been a variety of peacekeeping missions and wars over the past few decades where other countries worked alongside the United States. Whether you think those military operations were justified is a different question, but if you’re looking for which countries worked together, you can easily find out by browsing Wikipedia for 20 minutes.
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Themselves now. The international community is coming to the conclusion that there has been too much of a reliance on the US.
No one, they just keep making fun of us because we can’t fix our own shit.
Haven’t you heard? America is Exeptional, we are the Indispensible Nation. We never need help, because we perfected Democracy. Anyone who says otherwise will be sent to CECOT…
Did it?
USA asked and got help to fight their wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, …
France helped us during the revolution. The world has, generally speaking, been pretty good to us when we ask for help.
Are you from France?
Read the comment again
Holy crap an admin. Lol. Well what I was going to say if he or she is from France, I wanted to say thank you because I felt more like a human being who is appreciated by being a nurse than I ever have.
While we’re on the topic, is there like an online form I can fill out to request an invasion from another country?
Come on, Europe, flush out these fascists and let us fill England’s spot!
I have heard that the French’s foreign legion can be called for money…
I suspect you’re going to get mostly sarcasm and mockery tropes but there have always been countries that have allied themselves with American interests. When you say “when help when needed”, if you’re thinking of an actual war on home turf, invasion or something similar, that’s unlikely to ever happen due to our geographical position. If you mean financial help, we take loans from a lot of different countries. If you’re asking about assistance when we engage in war elsewhere, again, that would be all the allied nations.
Militarily speaking, the US is still one of the superpowers just because of the mind-boggling amount of money we spend on it. There’s not many countries that can compete with just the sheer number of US things that are designed to go boom.
Things like goodwill and assistance are currently in a downward transitional trend due to the current administration. It seems a lot of countries feel ostracized by the US due to Trump’s constant foolish and often hostile actions towards them but these types of things follow an ebb and flow, the next administration to reside in office will begin the process of patching things up and relationships will improve.
I am one of those people who engaged in the sarcasm and mockery, particularly mocking American Exceptionalism. But you can argue that American position as an Indispensible Nation is (well, perhaps was) a real thing. But it’s important to acknowledge that status was not accorded to us because we’re special, but because we aligned our interests to many of the world’s democracies. They didn’t follow us because of any inherent birthright, they followed because we shared their values and interests.
John Kerry got skewered when he implied that American interests might be subject to a “global test”, but he was 100% correct. Other countries backed us because we backed them. If looking to America for leadership is no longer in their best interest, they will shop somewhere else for leadership.
And that’s what makes Trump so insidious. Generations of Americans (politicians, service people, etc.) put this country in a position of respect, and this guy is tossing it all out the window by being a pety asshole who doesn’t listen.
Unless the US’ current trajectory changes sharply, I don’t think there are going to be any more elections.
I know it’s very popular for the doomsayers to propose but time will tell and I’m guessing we’ll have another election or two. Perhaps even three.
Four’s not out of the question.
Well, you run into the trouble of “help with what”
We do still have plenty of treaties, and the allies that go with them. So long as we don’t break those treaties, those allies are likely to provide the kind of help they cover.
If you mean “help us get rid of the fascists”, nobody yet because the fascists haven’t been stupid enough to try and export it in ways that violate treaties, so it’s an internal matter.
Even if the US devolves into civil war, don’t expect to see external military assistance being provided to any sides involved until and unless there’s no other choice.
However, there’s a good chance that US refugees would be welcomed to some degree in most of our allied nations. If refugees could get there. Canada would only take so many, and would otherwise have to play adoption agency, which they might not be willing to do. Same with Mexico. You might see some people fleeing via water, but where would they go that would either accept them or help them to other nations that would?
So, we aren’t without help. It just might not be the kind of help you want.
With all of that in mind, chances are high that at least some of our allies would try to get assistance into the country to back whatever factions they support. Dunno if that’s help or not, but it is what it is.
And what exactly would we do to help? Invade? Arrest your leaders? Station peacekeepers inside your borders?
Depends on where your from, your record, and non UN peacekeepers so we can say thanks to a singular country.
What’s good for the goose…
Do what the allies did to Germany in WW2
Help with what? The US is part of NATO so if it is attacked militarily, all other NATO countries are obliged to help against such an invasion.
I was more thinking along the lines of a coup or a person becoming a dictator.
What about if the USA attacks a NATO country? I know that sounds insane, but it’s a very real possibility with the looneys in charge right now.
Greece and Turkiye have that problem - not a war or anything but they have an open conflict about territorial waters and islands that’s been going on for a long time. No one wants to get involved.
so I guess it depends on who in NATO the US gets shitty (shittier) with - most big countries in Europe act like they’re ready to stand up, but we’ll see if they actually get physically involved or if it’s more finger wagging. Looking at Greenland…
Our first and second amendments cover these things.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps with that rugged individualism, I guess.
US needs to invade the US in order to bring democracy to the US.
(Revolution)
When you say most countries, which countries are you talking about?
And if you’re wondering where the US goes for help, I’m not sure what you mean, but there have been a variety of peacekeeping missions and wars over the past few decades where other countries worked alongside the United States. Whether you think those military operations were justified is a different question, but if you’re looking for which countries worked together, you can easily find out by browsing Wikipedia for 20 minutes.