What happend to messenging apps interoperability in the EU?
from Ludrol@szmer.info to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 12:57
https://szmer.info/post/9442745

engineering.fb.com/…/whatsapp-messenger-messaging…

Last year The Digital Markets Act was all the rage! The Interoperability was coming! And now year later I know zero apps that interoperate^1^ with meta. Is there any app that implemented that?

[1] yes we are on the fediverse and all that entails.

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kionite231@lemmy.ca on 05 Sep 13:29 next collapse

I guess it only works on paper ? 🧐

meekah@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 13:37 collapse

It works.

You wrote your comment on a platform that is proof that interoperability works.

breadsmasher@lemmy.world on 05 Sep 13:53 next collapse

fuck meta. i dont want anything interoperable with it.

birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 05 Sep 14:24 collapse

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, but only for bigger cooperations.

As in, extinguish them. Make it far more attractive to not be at a big soulless corpo.

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 05 Sep 13:56 next collapse

Unfortunately none of the bigger players seem to have any interest in making use of the interoperability.

And I think Meta has made it extra hard for smaller ones.

mitram@sopuli.xyz on 05 Sep 17:20 collapse

Aren’t they forced to? I thought that was the whole point

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 05 Sep 17:25 collapse

They are forced to offer it. But they’re not forced to use it.

If Signal wanted to federate with WhatsApp, WhatsApp would be forced to open up. But Signal doesn’t want to.

mitram@sopuli.xyz on 05 Sep 17:36 collapse

Wait, why not?

Are they afraid users won’t feel the need to switch since you can talk to everyone either way?

Did signal announce this decision? Or are you inferring from their lack of action?

bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de on 05 Sep 17:50 collapse

Moxie says something along those lines every once in a while. He really loves the one vendor ecosystem. Says it makes it easier to react to security threats and that the security of Signal would be weaker if they had to federate with anyone.

One example I read him bring up was how WhatsApp was basically able to implement Signal’s OpenWhisper protocol exactly because they’re a closed ecosystem and don’t have to factor in third party clients or networks.

I read that in interviews and github comments over the years. But I think they also stated that officially before and after this legislation was made.

muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com on 05 Sep 23:58 collapse

Open whisper protocol works with a federated networks in fact its more anonymous cos if u have only one server u can collate senders and receiver’s to build a social graph. Their is quite a bit of sus shit related to signal they don’t like 3rd party clients, they have mandatory phone number requirements (despite that being their most significant cost), they received money from inqtel the CIA venture capital fund.

I don’t see what security advantage u get from a single vendor ecosystem. I see a lot a reasons it can be abused tho.

NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de on 05 Sep 15:43 next collapse

I’m in the same boat. What I’d give to keep contact with my family without being forced to use the WhatsApp app.

sopularity_fax@sopuli.xyz on 05 Sep 21:48 collapse

Its actually a good thing actually good privatee messengers dont interoperate with Meta, they’re not exactly trustworthy.

Your phone already is the interoperator for all these things, what more is actually needed? Blue bubblles?