What started “weirdo” as a slur just recently?
from bec@lemmy.nz to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:32
https://lemmy.nz/post/14163746

I know it’s used toward Trumpist politicians so far. Was the context such that “weirdo” was the only sensible choice?

I feel troubled by this because Keep Austin Weird, Keep Portland Weird, etc., which is normally celebrated. And I’m weird.

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Badeendje@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:37 next collapse

Tim Walz just said it in a speech. He called the behavior of maga and maga cultists weird. And it stuck.

It probably stuck because it’s an apt description that they don’t like. They have no shame, so trying to actually shame them does not work… which is also weird. The unapologetical and blatant lying is weird… the whole world watches these people and most think… what the fuck…

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:16 next collapse

Could have just been autocorrect, but just to avoid confusion, it’s Walz.

Badeendje@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 23:25 collapse

Tx. Corrected the autocorrect indeed…

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:16 collapse

Before WOKE, they used weird as a term to describe LGBT*, emo and anything else they saw as against their values.

They just looked at other people not like them and said, they’re weird right, and they would all agree.

Well now we’re calling them weird and backing it up by calling out specific actions they know are wrong. Now they’re saying no, no we’re not weird at the same time internally going are we weird? They’re questioning their values just a little. It won’t stick long term or make changes. But they don’t have introspection very often.

Valmond@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 10:24 collapse

“Are we the b… weirdos?”.mpg

linearchaos@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 12:17 collapse

They either have to slip into that or “one of us.mp4”

theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:37 next collapse

Tim Walz said that Republicans had become weird and they all got really offended and started doing race science about it, so it works.

vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 12:58 collapse

That’s a super normal reaction though, really proving Walz wrong.

theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 14:12 collapse

Doing race science is not normal

spacemoss@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:40 next collapse

I feel the same way. In the end, this is the english language where the words are made up and none of the definitions matter.

Zachariah@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:49 next collapse

Good weird = you get called weird, and you’re like, “duh, we’re all weird”

Bad weird = you get called weird, and you respond defensively and have to prove how normal you are to everyone

LesserAbe@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 21:51 next collapse

I’ve seen people say there’s good weird and bad weird, and if you don’t mind calling yourself weird it’s probably the good kind.

As for calling maga people weird I think it’s effective because their whole deal is about vibes. “We’re strong, we’re smart” and it really bothers them to be perceived otherwise. It’s also not something you can “debate”. Either people accept it or they don’t. What are you going to say “no, I’m not weird”? Sure thing buddy.

meco03211@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:44 next collapse

“What a weird thing to say.”

SkavarSharraddas@gehirneimer.de on 07 Sep 22:48 collapse

And if a self-proclaimed "alpha male" elicits a reaction of fear or anger that confirms their self-image. But being called weird, or laughed at like the clowns they are, undermines their whole act.

Maeve@kbin.earth on 07 Sep 22:01 next collapse

Wasn't in response to people bullying Walz's son for proudly pointing at his dad, crying, saying "I love you, Dad," or something similar, during one of his father's speeches?

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 17:29 collapse

The “weird” trend began before Walz was chosen as VP.

WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:02 next collapse

The problem is, they are weirdos. You can’t make up stuff like the video of JD Vance in the donut shop. It’s hilarious.

capital_sniff@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 07:03 collapse

JD is Nathan for You, but without awareness or knowing.

CrimeDad@lemmy.crimedad.work on 07 Sep 22:17 next collapse

I think there’s a different between being weird and being a weirdo. Weird people can be fun, but you have to watch out for weirdos.

rhythmisaprancer@moist.catsweat.com on 07 Sep 22:34 next collapse

I dont think it is helpful to see it as a slur. This is more like "use my words against me" and it works, really well. The right wing folks this is messing with identify as being normal, predictable, sensible, strong, etc. Not weird. So when one of them goes to a donut shop and has their internal record get stuck on "OK, good" it looks abnormal, unpredictable, nonsensical, and perhaps even weak. AKA weird, and we can make them uncomfortable with that.

owenfromcanada@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:35 next collapse

I have a feeling that the political use of it will die out after the election, for what that’s worth. And I don’t think it will seriously impact the “Keep ______ Weird” trend, because they are celebrating weirdness (whereas the Republicans are trying to claim they’re not).

Boozilla@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:40 next collapse

The weird window has shifted. Having purple hair and a nose ring used to be “very weird”. Now nobody blinks an an eye at that stuff.

But being attracted to your own daughter (and admitting it publicly) and fucking a couch (and admitting it publicly) are still considered very weird.

MrBobDobalina@lemmy.ml on 07 Sep 23:42 collapse

Get them on the real stuff, there’s plenty of it. The couch thing is known to be made up and is just misinformation now (well, always was).

He certainly seems like someone who might fuck a couch because he’s fucking weird, so keep the jokes about it coming, but the book excerpt was fake

EleventhHour@lemmy.world on 07 Sep 22:44 next collapse

“pejorative” is probably a better word. calling it a “slur” is a bit strong.

but Tim Walz started it when he called JD Vance “weird.” It just sorta stuck because, well, he’s right.

B1naryB0t@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 08 Sep 00:09 next collapse

It was said as a common sense criticism of the Republicans by VP candidate Tim Walz. It serves as a criticism without giving them any intellectual credibility, which is important against fascism. Fascists love when you try to debate them or allow them in the conversation, and calling them weird shuts it down.

calabast@lemm.ee on 08 Sep 00:32 next collapse

Don’t worry about it too much. I don’t think this current trend will completely overtake the word “weird”, but even if it does, you’ll still be good-weird, Republicans will still be bad-weird, and people will know the difference, no matter what we call those things.

Today@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 02:57 next collapse

It’s only bad if you’re offended by it. Embrace the weird = all good. Spend all your time trying to convince people that you’re not weird = super weird.

sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz on 08 Sep 03:56 collapse

As I read somewhere recently, there is good weird and bad weird. You know which is which by how the target reacts. Almost all my friends are weird. Good weird. Except for Steve.

JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 05:25 next collapse

Is there another choice to describe trump? I mean, other than convicted insurrectionist rapist grifter fool?

Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works on 08 Sep 17:14 collapse

Yeah, he’s well beyond weird. Weird is better to describe the idiots who vote for him.

njm1314@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 08:47 next collapse

You say recently but it’s always kind of been a pejorative. It’s softened in the last few decades but it was always an insult.

RegalPotoo@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 11:00 next collapse

As an additional point; “weird” isn’t a slur. A slur is an expression where the very words themselves are considered obscene - a slur is offensive, even when it is used to describe someone or something according to its strict definition.

There is no context where describing someone as a “removed” or a “retard” isn’t offensive. “Weird” isn’t like that, as you’ve pointed out - it’s being used as a simple insult, and it’s persistent because it seems to really annoy the people it is directed at

Edit: to further my point, one of my examples is so objectionable that it was automatically filtered from my post

TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee on 08 Sep 14:07 collapse

exactly! lol “if you trying to compare two words and you wont even SAY one of em… THATS the worse word!”

gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works on 08 Sep 13:26 next collapse

Ok so this feels a lot like borrowed/manufactured concern or outrage. Thats why you’re getting downvoted, and I admit it looks like that to me too.

But if your question does happen to be genuine: it’s because it’s one of the most hilariously simple rhetorical shots that anyone has made at the GOP and Trump + Vance. The fact that they’re so bent out of shape and CLEARLY upset by being called “weird” is weird by itself, in the most negative connotation of the word. Not to mention, most people who consider themselves “weird” - including myself - would respond to being weird with something between “hell yeah dude fist bump” and “hell yeah dude. Go fuck yourself”, depending on the context and delivery of the original comment. The fact that they’re SUPER upset about being called weird is the primary fact that’s being made fun of here, as well as the fact that, well, the things they are fixating on, and a ton of their campaign positions, are objectively outright weird. It’s leaning on linguistic subtleties and flexibility to take a shot at fascists and live rent-free in their heads, and to most people, it’s absolutely fucking hilarious that it seems to be working.

bec@lemmy.nz on 10 Sep 20:46 collapse

it looks like that to me too

Genuine question. I do want to engage in discussing political matters—well, some days, when I’m up for it—but I’m hesitant because I expect to be viewed with some paranoia. I will do my best not to even look at votes. If I snark on headlines for some time, which I would enjoy, maybe enough people will figure out I’m not something bad.

amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz on 08 Sep 15:07 next collapse

When a base of people can talk in circles for hours about why they don’t believe in proven facts, they have a hard time defending the fact their cult leaders isn’t simply weird as fuck.

morphballganon@lemmy.world on 08 Sep 17:32 next collapse
  1. Republicans are morons

  2. Republicans are anti-intellectual

  3. Using sophisticated language to critique republicans shows them you’re not one of them, and they can write you off as a member of the out-group in their minds

  4. The word weird doesn’t trigger the anti-intellectual alarms, so their defenses don’t shoot up, and they’re left scrambling for a retort, feeling awkward as they are now a member of their own out-group

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 09 Sep 14:34 collapse

I don’t care about the details. I just want an out-group to hate on.

Randomgal@lemmy.ca on 08 Sep 17:48 next collapse

I don’t think it’s a slur. That’s what makes it funnier. It is a slur TO HIM and his cucks.

Illuminostro@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 01:17 next collapse

People being really fucking weird.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 09 Sep 14:33 next collapse

I just recently heard it used that way. To describe “conservatives”. Much like “yikes” I guess. They assign a new meaning to it and thus it is so.

Words are different these days. Like, words used to have a secondhand association with reality. But now it’s thirdhand.

cheers_queers@lemm.ee on 09 Sep 15:47 collapse

language evolves with every generation. this isn’t new

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 09 Sep 21:08 collapse

Language evolves with every generation, yes. But I offered something different from that.

I offered that the relationship between word and thing was becoming more tenuous. Like two telephones drawing further apart. The conversation breaking up.

We talk less about reality now. We talk more about talking.

ColonelThirtyTwo@pawb.social on 09 Sep 21:25 collapse

And how is calling conservatives “weird” how you describe?

Compared to conservatives calling anything left of them “communist”, calling a party backing a felon president and a vice president that can’t even make small talk at a doughnut store “weird” is very fitting.

infinite_ass@leminal.space on 09 Sep 21:31 collapse

Ugh. Too emotional. Too rhetorical.

callouscomic@lemm.ee on 09 Sep 14:38 next collapse

It’s always been a slur to differently abled people. Some grow up and go through life hearing it constantly as a way to shrug them off as disposable or something. It’s a way assholes in society treat them like shit.

What’s gone on recently is offensive cause there are real people who through life being called that and other names as a way to disregard them. Having to hear how it’s been openly used lately isn’t great, but people don’t get it. They think some things are harmless merely cause it doesn’t affect them or someone they care about.

aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 09 Sep 15:15 next collapse

There’s good weird and not-good weird.

GBU_28@lemm.ee on 09 Sep 17:31 next collapse

Are you couch fucker weird?

cygnosis@lemmy.world on 09 Sep 18:56 collapse

It’s a way to infantilize and ridicule the red team candidates that’s really hard for them to dismiss. They want to be perceived as strong, noble, divinely-appointed saviors of the morality of the country. Using ‘weird’ as an attack takes the wind out of their sails. And the only effective way to counter it is to embrace and transcend it, something the red team is incapable of doing.

From an article in WP

A central pillar of Trump’s campaign is the idea that liberals are perverted misfits who want to tear down American values. … [Trump supporters] were strong; libs were weak. They were right; libs were wrong…

“Weird” intrudes on that narrative. It doesn’t entirely upend it, but it does plant a seed of doubt. What if, instead of being admired or feared, they are instead being laughed at? What if, instead of edgelords, they are actually just the kids in the corner eating glue off their hands?

also

“He’s just a strange, weird dude,” newly-named vice presidential nominee Tim Walz (D) told an assembled group of 60,000 “White Dudes for Harris” at an online fundraiser last week. The Minnesota governor has been, if not the inventor of this tactic, its most skilled proponent.

bec@lemmy.nz on 10 Sep 20:55 collapse

I’ve always wished Democratic candidates would be contemptuous when needed. Gutsy. Maybe I’m all wrong, but if for instance Clinton had strongly stood behind having said deplorable.