Why is the USA attacking Iran?
from RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 02 Mar 09:45
https://lemmy.world/post/43757830
from RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 02 Mar 09:45
https://lemmy.world/post/43757830
Here’s the process as I understand it (please correct my errors):
- USA likes Israel, a lot for some reason
- "Israel" attacks Iran. This whole thing is being done with the USA’s airplanes though.
- Why does the USA love Israel so much?
- What’s the logic here? Not just the conspiracy. But why now? Why at all? Is Israel gaining something that I’m not seeing? Destabilization the main goal? What’s the USA gaining here?
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Because one lunatic…
To distract from the Epstein files and make Trump’s handlers money on oil.
It s not a lie, but its a very unhelpful answer. I don’t know why you’re being upvoted.
Not really, based on what trump has said before, it’s very clear the only reason he’d start a war is to distract from domestic troubles.
It answers the title, says why now, and refers to the POTUS and his “tendency” to act on personal rather than national interest. I don’t think it was that unhelpful, though of course it’s a simplification.
Same, this has been a multiple decade plan in the making by Netanyahu. He’s been wanting to attack Iran since forever and finally got Trump to do it.
Because Trump is a compromat, and he is scared of Putin, and Putin wanted higher oil prices.
Trump probably now hopes that a war will help his popularity. And at the same time he scores points with Israel, that is a major political influence in USA.
Iran is one of the main supports and weapon suppliers for Russia … Putin is not happy about this.
So did he call Trump out? Because I haven’t heard that.
Also the Iranian designed drones are produced locally in Russia now. And Iran has so many problems themselves already, that their help is probably limited. Also Russia is running out of money fast to buy weapons from Iran.
Yeah, he did. Ironically he called it a "cynical violation of all norms of human morality and international law”.
Sorry, that was a bad example,because Putin has criticized Trump before, it’s the other way around,Trump never criticizes Putin.
But remember Putin is KGB, and he constantly plays a game of deceit. Also to his own population.
Yes the famous motto being, "by deception you shall do war." Oh wait, that's Mossad.
Absolutely Mossad is also without conscience, one does not exclude the other.
Iran asked Russia for help,using the Russian S400 systems they have stationed in Syria, to help defend against Israeli missiles.
The response from Russia, was to shut down the S400 systems, to prevent them from being a target.
So very clearly no aid is coming from Russia, and I think part of the reason is that this is what Putin want.
It’s because Russia is not in a position to provide aid as they are tied up in Ukraine. They need those S400 themselves (they even asked Turkey to give back some of the ones they sold to them).
This is the 4th time a Russian strategic partner was hit by the US (Syria, Venezuela and now Iran for the 2nd time) and Russia couldn’t do jack shit about it. It makes them look very bad and unreliable as a strategic partner, so I highly doubt Putin wants that.
I agree Russia is out of resources, and can’t afford to “waste” any.
Still if Iran was still an important supplier as you claimed earlier, taking down a few Israeli missiles would go a long way to make Trump reconsider, and possibly to create more opposition in USA against the war.
I maintain that Putin actually wants this to help the struggling Russian economy. And if Putin didn’t want it, he could have stopped Trump with a phone call.
Putin is irans ally, he certainly doesnt want it being attacked, last year he sicced his troll farms on on trump the moment iran was bombed the first time. i suspect he is formulating a plan with his troll farms to denigrate trump again.
Its hard to know for certain given Trump’s insanity, but my own read on the situation is that they want to permanently remove Iran as a threat to Israel or the US. Basically, destroy the current government, and destabilize the country. What happens after that, they don’t care.
It may also be to raise oil prices, but this seems more secondary, given how involved Israel is, and how Trump doesn’t really have the subtly to not directly attack infrastructre related to oil.
He is not insane, just evil. Which is bad enough.
It looks like he is insane if you think he is a good guy, yeah.
He isn’t insane, but he does seem to have pretty serious dementia.
Oh you are new to this? America has always been on Israel side, for decades. Its their proxy for operations in the middle east.
“[Supporting Israel] is the best $3 billion investment we make. Were there not an Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.” US senator Joe Biden, 1986.
They’ve shown multiple times that they don’t need a proxy for war in the middle east.
It’s a state that’s always been hostile toward the US and its interests - both directly and by funding groups that share the same goals as Iran does. Over the past few years, though, the war in Ukraine, Israel’s strike on Iran, the US follow-up bombing of their nuclear sites, and the special Maduro operation have all shown that Russian air-defense systems aren’t much of a threat to Western fighter jets anymore. So they probably figured that if they’re going to do this, now’s the time - while Iran’s at its weakest - instead of waiting around. Countries like North Korea have dodged the same fate by holding Seoul hostage, but Iran doesn’t have that kind of leverage.
It seems naive to think that you could accomplish regime change with only air strikes? America tried occupation, tried training Afghanistan, none of that worked.
What the US has often done in the past is provide air support for aligned local rebels on the ground. In this case, though, that rebel force doesn’t really exist, so I figure the reasoning is to show the people of Iran that if you want to take back your country, now’s the time - and we’ll help you. There’s at least some evidence that a big chunk of the Iranian population is fed up with the Islamist government but whether this’ll lead to an uprising or regime change remains to be seen.
I’m in the same boat, I think the USA needs to be working with revolutionaries and a War Powers Resolution needs to be done to limit Trump’s bomb-happy attitude.
Two options that concern me are that the USA and Israel might support the Shah Royalists (EW GROSS, AUTOCRACY) or even worse would by Israel expanding its borders into Iran.
NK is somewhat different, they are under chinas umbrella, and would likely upset the CCP and likely economically if they tried to attack.
Israel allows the U.S. to maintain a foothold in the Middle East and have an influence in the region (which is plentiful in natural resources like oil), that’s the gist of it. The U.S. also has a large Jewish community that is generally pro-Israel (not all of them, but many are. In recent events, many Jewish groups in America are now condemning Israel for their war in Gaza, starving the population, all that heinous stuff)
Iran’s government has made it clear that they don’t like Israel’s existence (due to their displacement of Palestinians, various war crimes, that sort. They also don’t like that they are so heavily American influenced). They don’t like the U.S. either, as they believe that they are an imperialist power that wants to take advantage of the Middle East. That is one reason that the United States deems Iran an enemy. Note that Iran’s government’s viewpoint is not necessarily the same as those of the Iranian people. Additionally, the state of Iran funds many proxy terrorist groups across the Middle East, all of which do terrible terrorist things, which the U.S. doesn’t like at all (especially when they do terrorist things against American citizens living in the Middle East).
Israel and Iran’s rivalry (and you can include the Saudi Arabia, UAE in this too) is mostly down to wanting to be top dog in the Middle East, having the most influence and power, and it doesn’t help that they have very different beliefs (not just religion, different styles of government, different policies, that sort)
TLDR:
U.S. supports Israel for Middle East influence
U.S. don’t like that Iran’s government is anti-America and anti-Israel, and they don’t like that they support terrorist groups either
Israel competes with Iran for power in the Middle East, and have very different beliefs
Please note that I am not trying to incite a political debate. America and Israel has done bad stuff (war crimes, imperialism, etc), Iran has done bad stuff (terrorist proxies, political repression, etc), both are bad in my book.
So why was NOW the time? What’s the USA really gaining here with these strikes?
Depends on who you ask. I think topically it feels like it’s an Epstein files distraction. There’s also the whole issue with them enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. It doesn’t help that Israel leadership has been crying wolf about “Iran will have nukes in the next 3 years” since the 90s.
It’s likely they are working to get nuclear weapons, and given that they fund all this terrorist stuff, it can’t be ignored. They’ve already been caught enriching uranium to levels beyond what’s needed for any peaceful application.
In the past, there have been moves against Iran (sanctions and the sort that are worsening their already mismanaged economy) but the recent strikes have been down mostly because Iran doesn’t really have any allies that are able to support them should they get attacked. Russia has their invasion of Ukraine that they are grinding soldiers in, and the Assads have been overthrown in Syria. Their bad bad economy also means they have lots of domestic issues too, making them super vulnerable.
and many of the naughty Iranian proxies have also been weakened through a hellfire of Israeli and American bombing, like the Houthis in Yemen, Hamas in Gaza, and Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Russia is impotent to act. Iran had recent protests indicating that the regime is weak. China has not done anything preemptive and can’t do anything now because it’s too late.
Best case protests reignites and replaces the regime with something less US hostile. Worst case denies China cheap oil and Russia some war materials for a while.
China? Why would China give a fuck about Iran?
It’s 2026, not 1980.
They don’t really care about Iran other than that they are useful for annoying the US and they have oil they are forced to sell at a discount due to western sanctions.
If you look at news from the past few months you see Iranians were in famine and drought and political violence leading to many protestor deaths in Tehran and the Iranian leadership moving out of the capital. Now was the perfect time to strike.
That’s happened a few times before hasn’t it?
Israel has some real, incontrovertible dirt on Trump that they are holding over him
He’s also desperate to have the US at war so he can suspend elections, because he knows that he will be hurt by the midterms
He’s also pathetically insecure, and history has traditionally looked back fondly at wartime leaders like Churchill and the like. He’s hoping for that
And the worst motivation, but one that I sincerely believe is accurate, is that he wants to use nuclear weapons. He wants to be remembered as a president who pushed the button. He’s a child, and he wants to play with all the toys
I hope he dies before he can do more harm
I.have no.idea what they’d know.that isn’t public already. In the past I’d say the Epstein connection but that’s all public. What the fuck could be in the files we don’t know about?
Only half of the files have been released.
Not even half.
And text only thus far. The Epstein files aren’t emails, they are TERABYTES of CSAM and worse videos and pictures.
and names many high profile actors, like ceo, and government officials.
Murder, rape, pedophilia directly linked to government.
A key thing to note is that it’s normally defensive leaders that are looked back on fondly. Attacking another nation usually doesn’t give this boost, or at least not as significantly. Frequently it’s negative in fact.
He’s too stupid to understand this though, if this is his reason. I don’t think it is though. At best, it’s a distraction. At worst, and more likely, it’s an excuse to implement policies that expand his powers, and maybe to prevent elections from taking place.
The Epstein files are the reason
Distraction from the Epstein files, amongst other things. I straight up call this the Epstein war.
As well as calling Iran attempted to influence elections while Trump tries to get national emergency powers enacted so he can cancel elections.
To bring detail to this, the Republican Party has been wanting this for a long time. Some want the oil control, some have fanatical religious beliefs (encouraged by the greedy oil-wanting ones) that want to see Israel win because it brings about the “end of days” and they will be “raptured” into heaven (body and all) while the rest of us foolish non-believers perish in hell.
Trump and Co. are using this desire of theirs to make them happy with him, distracting from the disgusting crimes that are coming to light about him. They won’t remove him and his criminal cabal from power if he keeps them happy by giving them the things they’ve always wanted, so they get to keep living and be in power as long as those freaks are happy.
As ridiculous this sounds, there are many many people in power who would oppose removing Trump, and have the ability to crush any dissent that would do so outside of the process of law, which they currently control through state violence. So, it’s not so easy as “fuck you guys, you’re insane, we’re not listening to you anymore, he’s gone” since they hold all the cards and that leads to a much bigger conflict for control of the most powerful nation on earth.
Ironically, the current state of Iran is a good analogue for what happens when a sudden power vacuum appears, and we don’t want to be ruled by a Christian cabal any more than we want what we currently have.
As much as we deserve it after all this, I sure hope we don’t find out; if only for my own sake.
Distraction. Americans have a long history of supporting any asshole as President the second they declare war. As long as the war is “over there” and with other’s kids.
all these other comments are giving far too much credit to those in-power in the US right.
the only thing that matters to republicans, all establishment US politicians really (and especially any taking $ from AIPAC), is that their lines go up. once capitalism reaches a certain point, the best way to make your line go up is to just start breaking shit.
this the republicans role within the larger US economic/political cycle. they act to actively try to crash the US economy every time they’re in power, as they’re abject disaster capitalists…smart people have to hedge when instability threatens their bottom lines, disaster capitalists run around throwing rocks at windows. those that can’t keep up and go out of business are just bought up as distressed assets by those that have been around the block a few times.
everything these sociopathic cunts do is ultimately used as a way to extract liquidity out of the US’s stock/futures/bond markets (purposefully unregulated, relative to most other markets around the world)…every…single…time.
trump is ultimately just an incredibly easy tool for the real powers that control the US to enact their disaster capitalism as they see fit
follow the money, it is the only thing actually sacred to capitalists (extra so for american capitalists)
Note that America’s support for Israel has exist since pretty much when it was founded after the end of WWII by Britain, this certainly isn’t a new thing. As for the dislike of Iran, that has been a thing for ages too (see the coup against the democratically elected leader when they were against American business interests, Iranian revolution that propped up the new government and had Americans living in the embassy taken hostage by protesters)
You forgot the nuance of Iran being backed by China and Russia.
For your information, in a later comment I did note that the weakening of Russia due to their invasion of Ukraine is playing a part in making Iran more vulnerable. In terms of their ties with China, that is correct, their relations are an additional reason why the U.S. doesn’t like them very much. It doesn’t look like China would support them in a conflict though, at least not with troops on the ground.
Iran also hates the US for past CIA fuckery that got them to their current policy nonsense
Them, and about 100+ other countries.
This is way bigger than just Israel, most of the Gulf Arab states hate Iran and would love to see its government fall. They’ve been funnelling literally billions of dollars to the Trump family since just before he took office again. The Qataris, Emiratis, Bahrainis, and Saudis are all openly bribing Trump, and this attack is almost certainly at least partially, if not mostly, driven by their talks with Trump behind the scenes.
In 1953, the CIA and MI6 effectively ended representative democracy in Iran when they backed a coup d’etat that deposed Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mosadegh. Mosadegh had tried to audit the books of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (which later became a division of BP).
The 1953 coup resulted in the Shah of Iran, Reza Pahlavi, ruling autocratically and with heavy support from the United States. This status continued until 1979, when an Islamist revolution deposed the Shah and installed the Islamist government led by a clerical Supreme Leader that exists today.
In 2013, the CIA released declassified documents that showed that the CIA planned and carried out the 1953 coup using all kinds of abhorrent tactics, including bribery of public officials, astroturfed paid protesters, and false flag operations.
So hopefully that explains why the US is “the great Satan” to Iran, and why Iran keeps spouting “death to USA” rhetoric.
yup, anyone who seriously questions why so much of the world hates the US has nwver opened a history book. there are many many reasons, damn near all of them generally coming back to a sovereign nation trying to check the US’s extractive, unsustainable, capitalist-colonialism
Yes, I do know of the coup against the democratically elected Mosaddegh in favour of the autocratic Shah. Wow, the U.S. removing democratically elected leaders in foreign countries in favour of autocratic ones that support American business interests? I wonder how often that happened! (a lot, that is)
Oil and other resources the business moguls want to make more junk and sell more cars.
The only answers i can give you without conspiracy theories:
The top of the Iran administration (khamenei and top military generals) decided the meet in person. Israel found out and bombed the shit out of the building. That’s why khamenei and top military generals all died in the beginning of the war.
The negotiations were progressing in a good rhythm and it caught the US (Israel informed US right before the bombing, but there was nothing US could do) and Iran of guard.
Iran is the only close country that still keeps an aggressive stand against Israel (mainly by using hezbollah as a proxy). By doing this Israel wants a more friendly government.
Israel knows there will never be a friendly government to them in Iran, Israel knows that hatred for Israel is broad and will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression from Israel. They’re hoping to turn Iran into the next Syria, keep them fighting amongst themselves so they can’t turn their ire towards them.
I dunno. Lots of iranians don’t like their government.
Yes, and a lot of Iranians support their government, or want a theocracy that’s even more paternalistic. If the regime falls now you’ll most likely see either a military dictatorship take over to suppress the various conflicts and contradictions in the country, or those conflicts flare up into a civil war between theocrats and Democrats similar to Syria. Israel wants the civil war because a military dictator is still probably going to shoot missiles at them, arm Hezbollah and Hamas etc. while a civil war all the missiles are fired within the country.
Israel doesn’t want a unified Iran, whether under a democracy or dictatorship, because Iran is mostly unified under their hatred for Israel due to its various crimes.
I think you are wrong.
I think it’s better for israel to put someone with whom they can cooperate than to let it go to a civil war.
IMHO, this isn’t true. Israel was able to pinpoint the location of top political figures extremely easy. That means that the civil society hates more the government than israel. If they hated israel more then, they wouldn’t be able to pull the moves they did (like killing a hamas top operative in a safe house)
Anyway, this is just a guessing exercise. Nobody knows the future. Let’s hope for the best for the iranian people.
This shows more the competence of the mossad / CIA then broad support for Israel. They just need to compromise/ payoff one person at the top of the regime to get the ayatollahs location and then bomb it.
I think you’re vastly underestimating the hatred of Israel in Iran. It’s not like here in the US where people are just starting to come around to the idea that Israel is a bad actor despite the efforts of the media. In Iran the media has been constantly showcasing the atrocities of Israel and the plight of the Palestinians for decades. Even if that wasn’t enough they just bombed the country and started a war with no reason given. Even if some people hate the government more than Israel they still hate Israel, and if given a chance to decide their government, if this one falls, they will probably pick one that is antagonistic to Israel.
Same in Gaza and this is why Israel will never let there be elections in Gaza. They know that if people can vote they will vote for a government hostile to Israel, just like they did in 2006. They don’t want a government with popular support and legitimacy because it’ll make them look even worse when they bomb them.
US sees China as it’s main rival, Russia as Europes headache. Iran, Venezuela, Nkorea, cuba as minor annoyances that support China.
Worst case Denies China cheap oil imports for a while when both Iran and Russia are too weak to do anything. Also denies Russia some war materials. Best case scenario the protests reignite and replaces the regime with something less US hostile.
US sees Israel as the most reliable ally in the region, because all their neighbours hate them and they must stick with the US. A strong Israel lets US dictate much of what goes on in the middle east.
For a long while after the Iraq debacle, I was predicting that Iran would be next, and it just kept not happening.
I guess even the right-wingers of the time were too level-headed to want to open that can of worms.
Heck, even Trump didn't go there during his first term. I had accepted that I had been wrong.
So, of course, this time, the crazy old narcissist has gone and done it.
(This reads like I feel like I could have done something to prevent it. I know I couldn't, I'm just some random guy, but I still feel like I took my eye off the ball.)
I’ve been predicting Iran as the real target since the first gulf war
People forget that the only reason Iraq wasn’t wiped out in the war with Iran in the eighties was US backing
American troops were confused to find Iraqi soldiers with US weapons, they forget their history so quickly
For money. Every other explanation is BS.
It’s a part of an infinite proxy war between the USSR and their successors Russia and China, against the interests of the USA and Europe.
Iran is a puppet state for China, currently, and they provided weapons and funds for Hamas leading up to the October music festival attack and capture of hostages reigniting the war and consequently the Gaza Genocide. Previously the Russian backed Syria was also a key player but they collapsed recently due to civil war (revolutionaries partially funded by the USA and UK).
Israel is supposed to be the USA’s “puppet state” in the same vein, but tbh they’re so rogue and don’t fuckin listen on anything and they’ve got so much economic ties to Russia such as Abromovich steel and international distribution that they’re just a bad friend that the USA is stuck with because the second best friend they had in the region, Afghanistan, fell due to Trump incompetently releasing 5,000 Taliban fighters from US Custody, and number 3 is Iraq and the USA spent a long time waging war in Iraq for virtually no reason due to Bush incompetence and oil executive greed but I guess we’re sort of cool for now.
The USA and NATO often cooperate with Saudi Arabia as a way to fight extremism in the region, though they’re not US allies and they are often much more aggressive than the USA are in their tactics.
Basically, the cold war isn’t over.
Oh, and, forgot to mention the “why right now” part. Yeah, so, Iranians were revolting against their leaders like a month ago because of famine and drought hitting the region. Now’s just the perfect time to strike.
Riots that were encouraged by US actors in the region to destabilise and give this excuse
It’s an old play by the yanks, but it has worked more than once
Was the starvation also staged? Has the USA been running Iranian Economic and Agricultural planning in secret for years? Was Climate Change all a ploy in order to put pressure on Iran?
Those devious masterminds!
I didn’t say that it was staged
Capitalising on a problem is much easier than creating one
But I think you already know that and are being disingenuous
Or, you’re stupid
There’s a complex set of reasons but my take is:
Trump needs a national emergency so he can implement restrictions on voting in November. He’s already cited election interference in 2020 and 2024 as the reason for the invasion. He will use this to issue executive orders banning mail in voting and to ensure ICE are present at polling booths.
Additionally, Trump is very easy to manipulate. If a couple of other leaders like Bibi and Putin said “hey everyone would think you were so amazing if you flattened Iran right now”, he would do that, 100%. Some people are saying that someone is blackmailing Trump because they have the unredacted Epstein files, but I don’t think you really need that to manipulate Trump.
Broad strokes explanations:
The US like many other countries support the existence of the Jewish state. That’s a direct result of the Shoah. And then it got more complicated real fast. Wars, annexing the west bank, aggressive settlement and displacing the people who have lived there for ages, the Gaza wars, etc. - it makes it impossible to support it all.
No quotation marks necessary; this is a joint operation from everything I’ve read. The US has the biggest and most well equipped military force on this planet and does a lot of the heavy lifting.
Israel has a lot to fear from Iran. Iran has been a dick and has strong missile capabilities that they do not hesitate to launch at Israel, possibly overpowering their air defenses. Iran has funded and equipped lots of militias fighting Israel, like Hezbollah in Gaza.
Upon the mullah revolution, Iranians stormed the US embassy in Teheran, killed people and held another bunch hostage. The US became the #1 enemy of the Iranian regime. Between Israel and the US there is no love lost for the Iranian regime.
There is continued unrest in the country; the majority of the Iranian people are fed up with their government. The timing is right in so many ways. A weakened Iran, leaders who dgaf about international law, the need for the US and Israeli leaders to score a win. Also, elections held while at war have a tendency to cement the incumbents in power.
Israel’s Netanyahu is under pressure for corruption and the war in Gaza. 47 is under pressure with failing approval ratings, Epstein, etc. A successful military operation can help both leaders improve their image for upcoming elections.
The world will be better without an Islamist authoritarian government in Iran. Israel and the US have already destroyed Iran’s nuclear weapons ambitions last year. The regime is on the ropes with unrest in the country. Israel is getting more secure if the mullahs fall. Unless you are a lover of Islamist fundamentalism or a stern believer in international law, there is nobody who is rooting for these bastards to stay in power.
Iran is also an enemy of the Saudis, another close ally of the US. The calculus would be that a newly liberal Iran, maybe even democratized, would be a stabilizing factor in that region.
The biggest problem is that since Germany in 1945 no regime change has worked.
Broad strokes, all of this. The whole truth is more verbose and nuanced.
I’m fine with them staying in power, yes if the alternative is a liberal western democracy then it’d be great if they were overthrown, but that’s not realistic. If you look at the real alternatives by looking at the region the current regime isn’t that bad, there are elections and women can vote, compare that to the Gulf monarchies or the other dictatorships and theocracies in the region.
The most likely outcome if this regime falls isn’t a democracy, it’s a decades long civil war that probably ends with another form of Islamic dictatorship just like in Syria. This is what the US and Israel want, because both of them recognize that hate for them and desire for a nuclear bomb to protect themselves from them is broad enough that it will survive a regime change so the best option is to turn all Irans energy inward into fighting amongst themselves. This is also the worst possible outcome for the Iranian people.
POTUS Donald Trump intends to use America’s wars with Iran and Venezuela as justification for cancelling the US midterm elections for Congress. That will prevent the hugely unpopular Republicans, today all Trump Nazis, from losing power.
It shouldn’t work; the US has had plenty of wartime elections, and the POTUS should not have that power, anyway. But US law means nothing to today’s Republicans or the Nazi, Donald John Trump.
Trump will decree the midterms cancelled; blue states will tell him to fuck off, while red states will agree. Half the country won’t even prepare their polling places. The whole mess will go to SCOTUS, and in flagrant disagreement with the US Constitution that they’re sworn to uphold, they will side with Trump. The midterms will be cancelled. The 2028 POTUS election will similarly be cancelled. The Republicans will remain in power without the support of the majority of the US population, and Trump will be a full-fledged dictator and POTUS for life, free from prosecution for his numerous crimes.
Trump is the most powerful and successful criminal in US history, and his iron-fisted reign of terror continues because the Biden Administration was too feckless to bring him to justice when they could. If Trump wasn’t POTUS, today he would be in jail or house arrest, and barred from further participation in US politics because of his J6 insurrection. But he is POTUS, and he’s all too happy to abuse that power to the fullest to remain a free and happy Nazi.
U.S. politicians love Israel for their campaign contributions.
Let’s not all forget that Israel is not finished eradicating Palestine, but now everyone is looking at Iran. Violence in Gaza will again escalate but now with no coverage because a bigger war has started.
You’d be amazed at what a cabal of pedophiles will do to protect their secrets.
The word is horrified, but yes.
Well, this one ought to lead to a calm discussion.
THE FILES WERE MADE TO START WARS. This multinational blackmail campaign has been running since the 80s to let a handful of rich men(and Ghislaine and her sister) control countries, industries, resources, borders and anything else they want.
Also a bunch of billionaires want more money, feudalism, Skynet, the literal Rapture, and other competing bad ideas.
“Why is the USA attacking Iran?”
Trump’s insecurity:
By associating with “biblical” Netanyahu’s “Israel”, he gains “validity”.
By bombing someone, he gains “authority”.
By pretending that his-regime’s actions benefit the protestors in Iran, he gains “humanitarian credibility”, while warring against the people living in the US’s own Democrat states.
By doing all this NOW, he deflects from his being an Epstein-associate who’s on evidence for crimes against women, & girls.
See the PATTERN, not just some single-aspect of it, & then it makes more sense.
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Gives them a pretense to give money to the weapons industry -> weapons industry has higher profit -> stock goes up -> Dow Jones is over 50k, which makes their other crimes legal.
Republicans since the 60s have only ever had two ideas: invade countries and lower taxes on the rich.
Trump is surrounded by republicans and is a 90 yr old narcissist. He either has dementia or doesn’t give a fuck what happens
he has reached new levels of unpopularity due to his status as an epstein style sex predator of kids, his killing of americans in an attempt to punish ‘santuary cities’ by violating the constitution using ICE as a political tool, as well as tariff bullshit.
trump when in a pinch tries to do a new “newsworthy event” to reset the news cycles. Often it will be some advisor of his that has the idea. Its clear that being surrounded by republicans “invade iran” is probably a regular mantra.
he needed a new diversion and “invade iran” was one of the few ideas left.
This is a great question and one that is worth diving into a bit, but not necessarily by me. There are a plethora of answers here with some insightful and some less so backgrounds. I suggest that you dig into some outside sources and potentially you can work through the complexity of the answer as history often is.
I’m sure others have some great references as well, but given this crowd I’d suggest some youtube videos. I also suggest some recently written long form articles in foreign affairs which is always good for understanding context, as well as a few books.
RealLifeLore:
Related:
Also Foreign Affairs has some good long form pieces: - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/why-iran-will-escalate - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/trump-iran-gamble-vaez - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/what-it-will-take-change-regime-iran - https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iran/americas-best-chance-transform-iran-trump
Book wise I recommend:
Worlds Apart: A Documentary History of US-Iranian Relations, 1978–2018 by Malcolm Byrne and Kian Byrne offers a meticulously curated collection of declassified documents tracing pivotal moments in bilateral tensions, including the Iranian Revolution and nuclear negotiations
Axis of Empire: A History of Iran-US Relations by Afshin Matin-Asgari examines America’s Cold War hegemony, the shah’s regime, the 1979 Revolution, and Trump-era escalations, including the 2025 US-Israel attempt at regime change in Tehran
Iran’s Perilous Pursuit of Nuclear Weapons by David Albright uses Mossad-seized Iranian documents to detail clandestine weapons efforts, assassinations of scientists, and cyberwarfare like Stuxnet
Pedophilia
We all know about that. How is there anybotyer blackmail? They’ve already done the worst there is.
Because Israel has a leash around Trump’s neck.
This is the answer. This has been like a multiple decade plan by Israel. Nothing to do with the cabal of pedophiles, which it might help. But basically, Netanyahu has always wanted to attack Iran, he’s been having Trump do his bidding and has him around his finger.
Holy Wars by Megadeth is a decent primer
Trump is torn between the neoconservatives like Rubio, formally bolton etc, and Israel that want regime change and his own unwillingness to go full troops on the ground. The neocons successfully get trump to blow up Obama era deals designed to keep the peace by catering to Trump’s ego telling him he can get a better deal than Obama, in reality they don’t want a deal and want to escalate but this is the best they can get.
So trump goes to the negotiating table only to find out that Obama’s deal is the best he can get. Frustrated and unwilling to admit Obama was just as good a negotiator as him he begins to blame the leaders for their intransigence. The longer this goes on the dumber he looks for blowing up the original deal and not being able to get a new one, all the while Iran is enriching more uranium to try and push the US to accept the old deal.
Then Venezuela happens and he comes up with a new plan, if you can’t change the deal you can at least change the negotiating team. He can take out the leader, use them as a scapegoat for the long stalled negotiations, sign the same deal and call it a win. Maduro repeatedly said he was willing to play ball with Trump but it would be on similar grounds to the Obama era deal but trump couldn’t go back to the US and say he re-imoosed all these sanctions for nothing, so he took out Maduro, got a reason to declare victory and went home.
My guess is he’s trying to do the same here, say all the issues with negotiations were because of the Ayatollah, sign a new version of the same deal with Trump branding like the USMCA , declare victory and head home.
Yes, Israel doesn’t want regime change because they know hatred for Israel is so broad that it will survive a regime change, especially one triggered by a war of aggression started by them. They want to turn Iran into the next Syria and get them to turn all of their ire inwards instead of at them.
So this is one where actually it really makes no sense for the US to attack Iran - this comes down to a bad president making impulsive decisions. It certainly benefits Israel. Trump seems to think he is untouchable after attacking Iran last year and kidnapping Venezuela’s president. This war seems to be him shooting from the hip and not being restrained by those around him from making very bad decisions.
From a US strategic point of view, it can’t achieve regime change in Iran by bombing the country (it’d need troops on the ground) and it has low supplies of air defence munitions thanks to selling stocks to Ukraine and also using up some supplies in it’s 2 day war against Iran in 2025. Going to war now is foolhardy - Iran just needs to prolong this war beyond a few weeks and the US will be in trouble. It will need to pivot to a defensive posture to protect its allies in the region as defenses run out, which will be tough and cost US servicemen and women’s lives. It will also cost a fortune to prosecute this war without any real benefit.
US allies in the middle east have been drawn into a conflict they certainly didn’t want, global trade will be disrupted by closing the Strait of Hormuz (a very major shipping route), oil prices will spike and could stay high if oil infrastructure is damaged in the war, air traffic will remain disrupted and the gulf states economic hub plans (building up Dubai as an Economic centre etc) will be damaged. It’s possible this could even tilt the global economy to recession, or even precipitate an earlier end to the AI stock-market bubble.
This war is looking like a major strategic blunder by the US; more stupid than the Vietnam war (which was at least thought-out by strategists). Its likely the Pentagon was against this war, but sadly Trump and his clown-car cabinet are pulling the shots. It’s a war that’s goals cannot be achieved, yet will costly the longer it runs.
I imagine that there’s no real consensus response to what you’ve asked, given that the official reasons are pretty murky. My take, for what it’s worth at least:
Epstein was likely connected to Israel. From bits and pieces that’ve been reported about timelines and from the email archives, it seems like he sold information to both Israel and Russia – typically blackmail material for use as leverage against people in key positions in politics / business. Many of the later emails relating to Trump, appeared to talk about the dirt Epstein had on Trump, and efforts to potentially sell it to others.
This blackmail material, combined with the massive amount of money thrown at US gov candidates by things like AIPAC, results in ‘close ties’ between the US Govt and Israeli interests. Basically, to control Americas government, if you can ‘buy’ a majority of the candidates via PAC funding or blackmail material, you can control the overall tone and direction of America’s international politics.
In terms of ‘why now’ and what they gain…
So the Epstein files note above is just ‘another nail’ in the common american’s support for Israel – even before those links were made more apparent, public opinion had largely soured due to the brutal treatment of Palestinians. Israel as a state has been increasingly an apartheid regime – mostly in its alignment to far right fascist motifs involving xenophobia. The US right also aligns with this general sentiment – the people currently in the administration, for example, practically all cheer on figures like Jack Posobiec, who romanticizes figures such as Spain’s Franco, a fascist dictator who literally came to power with the backing of Hitler. They maintain this notion that ‘they’ are the sole custodians of civilization, so any atrocity they commit against ‘others’ is justified and right. So timing-wise, it’s definitely best to do this sort of thing with Trump’s administration in power – they’ll be gleeful willing accomplices, no need for much convincing.
Also entering in to the arena, would be the emergence of powers like China, and the perceived deterioration of the USA’s global influence. Israel as a state, exists because of the USA – Trump likes to say that about Canada, but Canada doesn’t really have a bunch of neighbours (other than the USA) that want Canada dead for having a history of “pre-emptive strikes” and so on. If the USA were to fall into significant decline, Israel’s existence would be in clear jeopardy. In order to survive, Israel likely needed to trigger a conflict before America’s hegemony deteriorated too far – to survive without a ‘singular’ military hegemony’s backing, Israel needs to have the entire power dynamic of the middle east destroyed and remade with them as the defacto/unchallenged ‘power’ of the region.
Add in to the mix the Tech bro oligarchs, who all want their own baronies – or ‘free cities’ as they like to call them. These folks actively bank roll efforts to destabilize states. Their reasons seem to vary a tiny bit, but the end result/drive is the same: they want to have the ability to control cities/people, without worrying about government controls/oversight/regulations, because “they know best”. So they’re completely in alignment with the other areas in which we’re seeing dramatic increases in authoritarian traits. So there’s practically unlimited money available for any sort of atrocity that can benefit the richest 0.1% at the expense of everyone else.
Most of what’s above speaks to the conditions that set the stage for the event.
As for the very specific timing, it’s still highly likely that Trump is just trying to mute the Epstein stuff. What he gains is less coverage of Epstein. He is America’s dictator, so what benefits him, benefits America. That simple.
Usually during US election seasons, Israel lobby donates the most and demands a measely $12B in annual aid from the US, which they can recycle into election funding. This is enough to not be too noticeable, but always resulted in Israel first rule over America with total unanimity of political establishment. Oct 7th, meant absolute control of US was needed, and US oligarchy, GOP orthodxy, piled on to Israel first rule as an existential survival strategy. ADL was platformed to denounce woke climate alarmism as quid pro quo for GOP being on Zionist supremacist bandwaggon. Media as always is for Zionazi first rule over America. DNC “donor pressure” was to lose, as bibi embarassed Biden with genocidal extreme.
Difference between last summer’s attack. Yes, both are with US planes. is, back then, the US and gulf colonies played only a defensive role, until Trump declared victory by bombing a mountain, and questioning victory was an insult to the military.
The, US is involved from the start, now, mistake, because Israel was going to do this anyway rationale, exposes US defense of Gulf colonies, and global economy, as an impotent lie, and keeps Trump from declaring victory in a tie.
Their only realistic hope for Israel is that so much destruction and chaos in Iran turns it into post war Iraq or recent Syria terrorist power centers, and can be weakened for decades.
No. The US gives Israel money, not the other way around. The Israeli economy would crash if it wasn’t constantly being propped up by the US.
I mentioned this. The US as a country gives $ to Israel. Israel cycles some of that money back to US politicians/lobby groups. In addition to pure fanatical supremacism motivating the funding of Israel control over US rulership.
Oil and clout.
To distract from Epstein prosecutions. Also, war is a great cover for unpopular domestic policy.
Distract who?
The public from revolting
🤣 the public has the gestapo following them around and isn’t doing shit. The US is cooked they can do whatever. They’re not even bothering with a proper pretext to this war. “Uhhh what do we say why we bomb them?” “I dont fucking care ask slopgpt if you need slop for the public”
“We’ve been at war with them for 47 years!!!”
and the soldiers just do “their duty” and go get themselves blown up
Plus the most obvious…Cha-ching!
the timing of when he has to testify, plus more epstein high profile individuals are getting named too.
To answer why, I have a theory. (I apologize beforehand for any ignorance, I only know a very minimal history of US - Iran)
Government. The US has wanted to control Iran from a long time, and succeded once in 1953. When the revolution of 1979 happened, they lost their hold in Iran’s goverment. They have constantly been trying to topple Khamenei’s regime since then. Khamenei was getting old, and if he names a successor and they come to power, the current regime system will be cemented and more difficult to overthrow from outside. And I think the release of Epstein files has accelerated the whole process, since the connections between politicians/influential people of various countries and the US/Israel are getting revealed to the world.
Oil. After the Russio-Ukraine war started, America has been trying to stop countries from buying Russian oil and make them buy crude oil from American companies. The US needs to get hold of two things now - Oil wells (Venezuela, Arabia, Iran, I think Palestine too, I’m not sure) and trade routes. Iran has control over the Strait of Hormuz , which transports about 1/4th of world crude oil trade.
Dollar. Both Maduro and Khamenei were trying to change the currency of oil trade, that is the American dollar.(This goes back to some agreement made between USA and Saudi Arabia)
This seems like a very logical and reasonable assessment, but I always wonder, somebody HAS to know this.
As in, the bomber pilots don’t know what their mission is really about, the generals just follow orders, but who decides on this?
Trump is too old/stupid to come up with such plans, so who is pulling the strings? His cabinet? The heads of the oil companies? How deep does this go? Also, it seems to permeate different administrations at this point.
I realise there’s probably no clear answer here, just wondering.
The US government? There is no one person behind this. This has been their foreign policy for decades. The US administration, as an imperialist entity, is acting like this.
This is the answer.
The US government owns Israel, because the US themselves (politicians, military, etc.) are owned and operated by the Jesuit Order (ruled from the Vatican by the Jesuit Superior General). In fact, Napoleon (way back, I know) talked about the Jesuits being a military order, not a religious one.
Israel (the Jesuit-run 1948 version, not Messiah’s ekklesia) was a part of the 6th vial of Revelation (after WWII, the second spirit unto frogs). I talked about that in another post.
The Christian Zionist love for this fake Israel is actually because they’re Catholic (even if they don’t admit it through different denominations). Zionism is, in fact, a Jesuit-backed system (even we seem to be blaming Ashkenazim, who are also operated by the Jesuit Superior General).
Just look at how Germany was drawn into WWI (not II!). Austria started it, but Germany was closely allied to Austria and went all in without thinking. Just to get the complete blame at the end.
Germany was worried about a two front war, with Russia slowly getting ready to help Serbians on the east. They decided to try for a knock-out attack against France by going through Belgium. They made it shockingly close to Paris, before their efforts stalled.
At the most basic level, the Trump admin likely has plans to make bank on it. Perhaps bribes or “deals” with oil companies, Israel, weapons manufacturers, etc.
Also, a part of the MAGA coalition consists of Zionists (the Evangelical Christians and Zionists Jews [both are death cults, IMO]), which makes it easier for Trump to do these things without too much opposition from MAGA. And, groups like AIPAC have been somewhat successful at tipping the scales of US elections against politicians that don’t support Israel.
That “some reason” is their governments are the same entity. Israel is the USA and vice versa. This is essentially why Iran attacked USA military bases, not because the USA also attacked them. Both entities share the unashamed tendency to expand as an empire, against international law. Israel sees Iran as their only real menace close to them. Imagine China in Central America. Why now? That’s Trump and the Epstein case variable. What gains the USA? They are loosing all kinds of influence against China and Russia, they are trying to regain hegemony through oil and the dollar.
If you want a very good in depth answer: youtu.be/7y_hbz6loEo
The gist of it is that the USA, KSA, and Israel all want Iran’s current government to be toppled as they are a direct military/economic/political threat.
Israel is an ethnostate so they do ethnostate things, which means constantly attacking anyone they view as “not us”. Iran happens to be on the top of that list after Israel’s former enemies, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, and KSA were passified via the US or Britain.
The US and KSA also want to secure their oil regime, and now that Venezuela is dealt with, Iran is next.
They have a significant economic and military investment in Israel, and many of those Israeli billionaires are a part of AIPAC, which successfully lobbies the US to do what they want.
A bonus is Christian zionism which reinforces the idea that Israel must exist to cause the second coming of christ, or the messiah for the Jewish zionists.
Don’t forget when you have retarded Republicans and an Alt right religious nutcase or the Button administration you get some very crazy people. Remember God is a good motivator for these people to rationalize raping children. They don’t care about God’s message their own delusion is fueling it. Similar to ISIS levels of crazies.
because trump raped children
how will the US support it’s many many gun factories and research if there is no war? Don’t forget a large part of american economy revolve around the war machine.
*its
It’s called an ally.
Please look up the definition of ally.
Jfc… Smh
How does that answer any of OP’s questions though? You haven’t answered either.
Do You Prefer Strategic Ally?
I think you’re just dumb or playing dumb. Either way, lol.
OP posed two main questions:
Saying that Israel is an ally answers neither. That’s information OP already came in knowing. Are you playing dumb?
Yes. I just act dumb. You are dumb.
We’re not the same.
Pedolini’s boss netynahu has videos of him raping and killing children because Epstein was Mossad and Netanyahu has been trying to get the United States to attack Iran for 40 years. Israel is a settler colonialist project that is using pseudoscience and the political ideology of Zionism to annex land and commit genocide against the indigenous population. Israel’s imperial goal is to control most of the Middle East as an empire. They have bribed and blackmailed most of our politicians for decades and America is now going into deep debt to realize the “greater Israel project”. It is basically manifest destiny reborn <img alt="" src="https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e5aa97c4-17a0-4ae2-b06b-164976acb8f9.jpeg">
not to mention ehud barak was rapist , one of israeli former prime minsters.
The 1% has divided the working class along imaginary lines on a map. We will fight, suffer, and die until we all collectively realize that our leadership class is more our enemy then the working class of whatever nation we are fighting.
But that is just lame nerd shit. we should blow shit up and flex our dicks on the world stage because our lives are so empty we need something to keep us busy. Or else we would wonder why we cant feed, house, and care for everyone despite our unprecedented technological development.
because he has to testify in epstein recently so hes trying to attack iran to distract the news from epstein.
Its a lot of things all at once, theres the control of the oil, control of a shipping route, undoing what the cia did, then theres also the biblical side where they are trying to fulfil prophecies to bring on the second coming of Jesus (to probably install a figurehead to use to control people), also this helps Israel get the biblical lands back, which they so obviously want, also they want to get rid of the Shiite Muslims across the world, also theres real estate opportunities for these rich assholes to cash in on, like they’re already out doing with gaza, the board of peace is just an auction house. It also distracts from the failing economy and the tariffs, the ice Gestapo, the authoritative fascist dictatorship that the US has become, the technocracy thats being implemented to replace the current system, its also a giant man baby who keeps getting his ego bruised, who will punish the haters for their slights against him, could be he’s full blown Dementia boy now and no ones stopping him from doing insane shit. Could legit be a peace operation, but the last one’s more of a fantasy than the others.