Where are the arms bearers?
from Drbreen@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 05 Dec 23:41
https://sh.itjust.works/post/51058073
from Drbreen@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 05 Dec 23:41
https://sh.itjust.works/post/51058073
I’ve seen two posts today of ICE agents arresting and terrorising ‘alleged’ US citizens. Where are the bearers of arms who bear arms in case of government tyranny? Is now the time to rise up and force back this disgraceful bullshit we’re seeing in the US?
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In my opinion, things simply aren’t bad enough. People are being kidnapped off the streets and the government breaks the law flagrantly, but not enough Americans are starving or homeless to force any serious resistance.
As a wise man once said: Things will have to get worse before they get better. The average American will need to suffer a lot more before they're ready to think about taking their guns to protests, let alone using them.
Living in the US South for the last 30 years, my experience has been that most of the "Don’t tread on me " crowd are very much only interested in protecting themselves and their families. That often means keeping your head low when trouble is about.
Additionally, ICE seems to have been keeping a low profile in areas where that mindset is most prevalent. Still active, but keeping their wits about them.
Sooner or later, though, ICE will fuck up, knock down the wrong door, and multiple people (both ICE and citizens) will catch a bad case of lead poisoning. And then things will get bad.
From what they’re doing it looks like they’re really hoping that would happen and the orange turd will have a reason to trigger a national emergency.
Who wants to be the first to martyr themselves getting turned into Swiss cheese after firing the first shot? Is it you? Why not?
That is your answer.
Exactly. And after the first martyr gets domed or swiss cheesed, all of the armchair analysts will come out of the woodwork creating a prevailing opinion like “well it would have been better if he had done X instead of Y, rookie mistake, what an idiot” and life will go on fundamentally unchanged besides that person now being dead and posthumously tut-tutted at.
Well it can’t be me because I don’t live in the US.
And over the years, I’ve heard the argument for bearing arms in case of government tyranny… And here we are, government agency kidnapping people off the street like my grandparents were in Poland.
An yet you still don’t answer whether you would be the first person to pull a weapon and be turned into Swiss cheese. Regardless of how many people may or may not have weapons, only an extremely low % of people want to basically commit suicide by trying the above.
I mean someone just gather the suicide statistics and gather all those people who want to commit suicide and put them in a voluntary civil war up against the ice agents and there ya go. Two birds, one stone. 🐦 🐦 🪨
I’ve provided context to my question which I should’ve initially. I don’t think it’s relevant what I would personally do as the question is towards the argument for bearing arms (which I’ve heard a lot of) is in case of government tyranny. So let’s try to keep it within that context, however, it is a difficult question to answer from my perspective because I don’t live within gun culture. I believe what we see in US is heavily cultural. I may have a different view if I were born and raised in such a culture. But in short, the answer is most likely a no, regardless of how angry I am about it but then again…
Ok, as an “arms bearer,” my answer is this. The laws allowing us to bear arms were written when those arms were equivalent or close to the top military technology. 100 armed civilians while untrained, would be similarly equppied to 100 soldiers. These days if 100 armed civilians tried to act in a coordinated armed effort against our government, it would only be a very short matter of time before they were declared terrorist and overwhelmed by billions of dollars of military hardware and equipment they have no way of competing with. That is of course with the exception of jan 6th where said coordinated attack was coordinated by trump, and therefore allowed to happen.
That all being said, I am an “arms bearer” because I used to hunt, and was never one to claim I had guns to possibly overthrow our corrupt as hell government.
I think most of them are doing the tyranny.
No one wants to go in alone. That’s suicide.
Hard to find groups and organize sometimes.
Oh they’re easy enough to find, they’re just aligned with the fascists.
If you could only find a well regulated militia around… you know, the whole reason you’re constitution provides a right to bear arms.
Leftists don’t like guns… that’s why all the nutjobs have them. :/
Do a search for “Under no pretext…” and let me know what you get back.
Yes, I once posted that quote on Lemmy and used that to criticize the US Democrats’ Gun Policies and got downvoted lmao
Right here, where ICE is not. Want me to chase them down in another state?
If you are on the same side as illegal immigrants, you are not on the same side of the law in our nation.
Hence, you may be an “outlaw”.
No… as a legit citizen of the united states, this is not the time to rise up against the government because immigration has been restricted.
Yall are really far out…
(And stupid)
en.wikipedia.org/…/2025_Dallas_ICE_facility_shoot…
I dunno where the others are but they better be at the range, cause this guy did the opposite of helping.