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Politics in America has always been dirty. How does trump really stack up?
from Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 01:55
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TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website on 29 Sep 02:15 next collapse

America were always (at least since Carter, 2nd world war ? Not American I probably forgot my president) colonialist in their exterior politics… now they’re facist about it.

njm1314@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 02:27 collapse

Do you smell toast?

heavyboots@lemmy.ml on 29 Sep 02:36 next collapse

Like an order of magnitude worse?

No sitting president before him has been a convicted felon.
No sitting president before him has been involved in the sheer volume of sexual scandals from assault to cheating to being implicated in possible pedophilia.
No sitting president before him has refused to return literally boxes and boxes of classified documents which he kept as trophies (or possibly as items for sale) while storing them in extremely inappropriate ways. (This is extremely different from Biden, btw, who promptly returned a few accidentally retained documents. Trump was playing shell games with them, repeatedly swearing he had returned them all while doing things like loading them on planes to move to other locations, etc.)
No sitting president before him has attempted to overthrow the government when they lost an election.
The level of bribery and corruption in his administration is off the charts.
The number of lies he tells has always been off the charts. (“I’ve never heard of Project 2025!” while having given a speech to its members and now following its plans to dismantle the federal government.)
His department heads have all been picked to dismantle the departments they’re in. (Project 2025 again)

And then of course there is the christofascism angle, which is extremely disturbing because he definitely plans to never leave power again. He’s currently trying hard to normalize use of military force against US citizens so he can seize control of the elections to make sure they go his way.

Ambiance6195@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 03:11 next collapse

Whoa you’re gonna scare people with those facts!

Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org on 30 Sep 01:42 collapse

Facts? What are those?

There are 75 Million brain-washed idiots out there who we know, that can give a shit less about facts. Those people voted Trump in in hopes he'll - get this - lower egg prices. Now I know that's part of the reason but it was a large part. The same egg prices Trump would later tell everyone to shut up about, for real.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 06:41 next collapse

Ok, all true.

Just was hoping we could deep dive in american history but now I remember this site is still pretty shallow.

Deestan@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 07:01 next collapse

If this is your reaction to a thoughful response, you are not going to find deep discussions anywhere, even where they exist.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 07:15 collapse

So fucking sensitive

AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 14:18 next collapse

Lol, yes, you are.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 17:57 collapse

Did something I say bother you?

AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 19:54 collapse

I just think it’s funny and easy to dunk on the low hanging fruits that are hypocrites. So to answer you: no, I’m not bothered. You seem awfully bothered tho. So sensitive. Lol.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 23:22 collapse

Im literally crying right now. You internet bullies!

AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world on 02 Oct 15:14 collapse

Typing this message did not help you beat the allegations. Every time you respond, you’re just proving that you’re emotionally invested in this comment thread to the point that you can’t just let it go.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 02 Oct 21:41 collapse

I have this thing called an inbox. I take the time to respond to all my messages.

As you will do the same.

HarneyToker@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 14:36 next collapse

This was your opportunity to put your counter arguments in about how shady the rest of American politics is/was. However, you resorted to name calling and generalized BS. Why not engage in an actual discussion instead of folding?

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 18:01 collapse

Name calling? I agreed with you, I just was looking for a different discussion. Aside from constant trump bashing, which I myself take part, there is more than just one man. If I had the answer I was looking for I wouldn’t have asked.

I have no idea why youre upset. It is one hundred percent apparent discussion on these boards is not very deep. I see it in many of the questions I ask. I hate to say it but the amount of thoughtful responses I see pale in comparison to, say, reddit.

Stop taking shit so personal…

HarneyToker@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 20:02 collapse

Learn to read usernames, for starters. This is my first comment in this thread. Secondly, you called the person “so fucking sensitive” when they were actually just engaging with you. It’s up to you to then make your point, and instead you called him sensitive as a dig. That’s name calling. Also, I am genuinely not upset, but you sure sound worked up. It sounds like you want to start a fight and not a discussion.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 23:20 collapse

Youre reading into it.

Thats what the sensitive part is, and it doesnt matter if it was OP or the people who chose to pile on. Youre all being too sensitive. If your have a problem with tone, ask me to correct my tone, or clarify. Just dumping on me because I made a criticism is boring and completely typical of this platform.

HarneyToker@lemmy.world on 30 Sep 00:21 next collapse

Bro, you have brought this whole argument onto you because you don’t know how to shut up or seem to have any amount of self awareness that you’re wrong. Fuck off with this rage bait post. Taking my upvote away, jackass.

“Reading into it” did you want thoughtful discussion? Should people not read your words? I don’t know what you fucking want. Why don’t you get off this platform of you’re so jaded about it?

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Sep 00:32 collapse

Bro

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 30 Sep 12:03 collapse

“reading into” your argument is “too sensitive”?

Make it make sense.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Sep 18:31 collapse

Its sensitive to share a critique?

vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 29 Sep 17:14 collapse

You’re such a pathetic little whiny fuckin baby omg

heavyboots@lemmy.ml on 29 Sep 20:01 next collapse

I mean I don’t have the amount of time necessary to go into how dirty past presidents have been and I certainly don’t have the knowledge at my fingertips. But also, I think the stuff like Watergate and Monica Lewinski is barely a blip on the chart when you put Trump on it too. Which is not to say I condone the behavior of those presidents or seek to normalize their behavior. Just that from a numerical perspective it barely registers.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 23:21 collapse

Honestly, Im not asking you specifically but you contributed the most thought provoking post of the thread and typically thats where thought ends on these boards.

Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org on 30 Sep 01:43 next collapse

Sir, this isn't KiwiFarms. Please go be an edgy tryhard there.

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Sep 02:29 collapse

Lol, this is edge? Dont cut yourself on some butter.

prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 30 Sep 12:01 collapse

You think that comment was shallow? Breh…

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 30 Sep 18:32 collapse

Its shallow when compared to depth of American history.

Paragone@lemmy.world on 14 Oct 03:42 collapse

There was a post on c/world, iirc, in the last few days, about Trump being heckled in the knesset, in israel…

that page had 3 links to other stories on the site, 1 of which was this:

lgbtqnation.com/…/renowned-political-scientist-sa…

( that should read “officially a full-blown cult”, btw: the title-to-link generator on that site apparently censors some words?? )

That is 1 of the most spectacular acts of treason against responsible-authority ever accomplished, by electorate, in the US of A, ttbomk.

www.project2025.observer/en

I don’t know if they’re still updating that: it’s been at 48% for the last 2 or 3 weeks, & I think things are accelerating, in implimentation…

the whole “it is now law that court-injunctions are powerless against Trump & his appointees”,

& “it is now law that Trump can de-register voters so that the actual-election is more the way he wants it to turn out” ( I have read that this was used to force 2024 to be his victory, by Republicans in various states ),

& “he can now simply remove-citizenship ( “de-naturalize” ) everybody who isn’t a Republican, & this is the law, it is his right” all kinda point to fatal-civilization-cancer, in my eyes.

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DomeGuy@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 03:37 next collapse

If the Pope was in charge health care would be single-payer, abortion would be emergency-only, and both gay marriage and capital punishment would be illegal.

I wish I had the faith in human competency that conspiracy theorists demonstrate, but I think the truth is that humans are far stupider than that.

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 29 Sep 17:59 collapse

I’ve always had a strive to be reasonable with my explanations, even if I seem harsh at times. However, if someone decides to censor the truth, it’s likely they take the Mark of the Beast themself, and they have no idea (which is why a mod removed my reasonable comment based upon our research).

FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com on 29 Sep 03:44 next collapse

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

How’s that tinfoil working out for you?

Is your scalp itchy?

bitcrafter@programming.dev on 29 Sep 04:20 next collapse

Poor thing must have accidentally made it with the shiny side facing in instead of out…

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 29 Sep 17:58 collapse

It just shows how bad I feel for you not understanding what I’ve said (especially with a mod apparently taking the Mark of the Beast, having removed the truth on here). While I understand that not everyone will understand it, it’s toxicity that really ticks normal people, like myself, into a tizzy.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com on 29 Sep 18:47 collapse

I think you’re in need of psychiatric help

That, or you’re an expert shitposter

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 29 Sep 18:58 collapse

Or… someone’s potentially taking the Mark of the Beast, as I’ve called out on Lemmy before. That’s the more likely abstract option that nobody seems to be thinking about.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com on 29 Sep 20:30 collapse

There’s no stupidity like religious stupidity

undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch on 29 Sep 04:18 collapse

I’m super atheist, I really hate religion and can’t stand any form of it but even I’m like “what the fuck?”

mugita_sokiovt@discuss.online on 29 Sep 18:01 collapse

Many people would be like that, so I get it. I was a Jesuit punk for most, if not all, of my life until I realized that I was making a huge mistake. This was the same with my producer.

FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com on 29 Sep 03:46 next collapse

He’s probably going to go down in history as the worst 'Murica has ever had

I hope there’s nobody worse than him because it’s already tough to see the world not really suffering as a result of his shitfuckery

Deestan@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 06:58 next collapse

The Fallacy of the Beard

Get your opponent to concede a point by burdening them with defining a strict threshold. Break their claim into smaller and smaller components and keep zooming in until you are looking at such tiny things that their original claims seem overblown.

This man has a beard! Does he? Yes clearly! 20mm hair on chin!

Would he have a beard I mean an actual beard if it was 5mm? No that’s just stubble! Where does it become a beard, at 10mm? I guess!

So a man with 9mm hair has stubble? Yes! And he grows one measly millimeter of chin hair in on one of the hairs and BAM WHOA he has a beard now?

Edit: Not calling your question out as disingenuous, but trying to prevent it being abused.

kmartburrito@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 07:40 next collapse

Deestan@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 13:34 collapse

If Wikipedia had balls

AA5B@lemmy.world on 29 Sep 21:01 collapse

I’d like to know this too. We all know the issues with the current regime. It’s clearly the worst in our lifetime.

But some of these issues may not have been apparent before the internet, before constant news. There may be different corruption, different rubber stamps and hiding of corruption, crime, and incompetence. We like to think previous presidents had some shame some ethics some standards, but did they really or was it just easier to hide

As far as I can tell the current administration has cemented their place in history, with the sheer maliciousness and negative impact on the country and even the world. A Term which will live in infamy. Standing far below every other administration

…. But will history agree?

Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com on 29 Sep 23:16 collapse

Lets be honest with ourselves, too, we are talking about slavers, white supremacists, ruling class, etc. etc.