Why cant Russians get their shit together and deal with their terrorist gas station state "leader"?
from sopularity_fax@sopuli.xyz to nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca on 17 Sep 22:46
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frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml on 17 Sep 23:03 next collapse

what

CTDummy@aussie.zone on 17 Sep 23:06 next collapse

Easier said than done. Putin killed off Navalny; an opposition leader and head of an anti-corruption body. A leader of a private military company marched on Moscow due to being pissed at his troops being fed to the meat grinder with fuck all support. His plane was blown up with innocents on board. What chance does the average citizen have? Plus if they don’t already have laws for protestors/dissent they’re on the way. Have complaints about the regime? Enjoy the labour camp.

A strong state media apparatus helps. Constantly instilling fear that the enemy is at the door (NATO encirclement bs for example); that isn’t helped by the US feeding that narrative constantly.

MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world on 17 Sep 23:10 next collapse

When enough are in a position where expressing fealty doesn’t make them any safer than fighting back, they’ll take his head off.

sunzu2@thebrainbin.org on 17 Sep 23:16 next collapse

If you are american, people are asking you the same...

Normies are having hard grasping how political power works. They keep thinking that will of the people shapes policy, which has not been true since propaganda been perfected (if it ever was true). Practically a regime falls when food and energy stops flowing OR regime is weak enough for external force to tip it. Russia is neither currently... it is energy and food self sufficient, thats a small club that includes US, BR and CA. maybe some other smaller countries.

Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz on 17 Sep 23:18 next collapse

I was just talking with a Russian woman I know who always seemed like a decent person.

And then she uttered “there’s no leader around who would be better for the Russia than Putin is”. I was left gobsmacked. I’ve still to go back to her and ask how the hell that’s supposed to be possible in her opinion. Like, what should some other leader do in order to be even worse than Putin, really? How is killing hundreds of thousands of people, spending all the money saved for the future, torturing people en masse, destroying the own country’s economy, and destroying the image of the Russia as a country and Russians as a people in the eyes of other peoples not a problem?

It seems crazy. You cannot really run a country down worse than Putin has done. Or maybe you can, by being a Pol Pot. But is there really a chance that a Pol Pot would somehow manage to seize power in the Russia? Almost anybody is better than Putin. But Russians disagree. They like their Putin the best possible president they have. They say it’s sad that they’ve got nothing better than that asshole, but they still do think he’s the best available. They think that if Putin dies, somebody “worse” will replace him. That is utterly moronic.

But shortly put: They don’t get their shit together because they don’t feel like there is any shit to get together. They’ve got a leader they like. He’s making the Russia strong, and that’s what they want. They’ve got a leader that is doing what they think a Russian leader should be doing. Or, is at least doing stuff more in that direction than anybody else would.

They like Putin. If someone tried hurting him, the whole population would get their shit together to protect him.

frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml on 18 Sep 07:15 collapse

You cannot really run a country down worse than Putin has done

Nah. They were much worse off under Yeltsin than Putin.

destroying the own country’s economy

web.archive.org/…/russias-real-wages-climb-7-1631…

destroying the image of the Russia as a country and Russians as a people in the eyes of other peoples not a problem?

Putin is fairly well admired in the world. Anecdotally, I’ve been to India, Thailand, Tanzania, and Kenya since 2022 and the people I drank with were quick to praise him. pewresearch.org/…/views-of-russia-and-putin-july-… , studyfinds.org/vladimir-putin-russia-popularity/ , theconversation.com/russian-flags-waved-during-ni…

He’s restored rule-of-law and stable institutions since Yeltsin.

Basically the answer to your question “How can they support him when he’s crashed the economy and ruined their reputation?” is “He didn’t and he hasn’t.” Sounds like you’ve been reading NATO/antirussian sources.

femtek@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 17 Sep 23:46 next collapse

I feel the same for North Korea, USA, and Israel.

Forester@pawb.social on 18 Sep 00:32 next collapse

youtu.be/rStL7niR7gs

The keys for power are much easier to control in an autocratic society

dan1101@lemmy.world on 18 Sep 01:52 next collapse

I didn’t understand it before but now with Trump’s second term, I see there are just a ton of self-centered double standard shitty people in the world. A lot of Russians, maybe a majority, like Putin.

SkyNTP@lemmy.ml on 18 Sep 03:42 collapse

Also, don’t discount oppression and misinformation used to squeeze people in giving up their collective power.

FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml on 18 Sep 03:34 next collapse

Check Vladmir Brovkin videos on yt if you want a solid answer

BurgerBaron@piefed.social on 18 Sep 05:39 next collapse

A critical mass majority needs to support the same cause as you against the enemy or you’ll just end up like Luigi in the USA or worse. Yeah some slacktivists might celebrate you or mark you as a Saint but nothing changes for the better. The leaders mirror the public. Taking out a singular symptom of the disease does nothing. The public, the citizens, are rotten. They’ll just allow another piece of shit to take over in the power vacuum.

This is gonna get rambly but to understand where I’m coming from I have to go off topic. I realised this thinking about Alberta’s future. The numbers are simply not on my side. I also weigh this reality when I see Canadians performatively beating their chests about guerilla warfare if the USA invaded. Hopefully we never have to find out if their tough words are really true or not. I really doubt that many are competently trained to do anything useful. Or even would be willing to in reality. A lot of cowering, obeying the new masters, and betraying people like you instead I’d bet. Liberals are still attacking long guns as we speak, so how many are skilled with them here let alone licensed huh? Our military is still a joke too. Outdoor survival experience? Hah! I did some through Scouts. As a child. I’m working on getting some refresher training currently. This isn’t fucking Finland. We lack such discipline it’s embarrassing.

Still I’m obviously a pessimist and that can and has blinded me before so I’m training like this anyways incase I’m wrong about the people around me long term. If they decide to be better in a moment of future crises I want to be able to actually have the potential to help if it could actually matter.

So to reiteratenthe first paragraph, Putin is still popular in Russia. That’s the reality. Idk why that’s surprising to anyone who knows their god awful history so I guess many don’t. “Dealing” with him will accomplish absolutely fuck all and the only reward for anyone who tries would be torture and death if caught.

I think maybe the strategy everywhere used to be to educate / convince the regular people around you instead until you reach that critical mass. Or start a destabilising religious cult. Which inevitably gets corrupted. Could it be a total waste of time and something you’ll die of old age fighting fruitlessly if you’re not killed or muzzled first? Yeah usually that’s the case. Stop having children I say, it’s the morally correct thing to do. That’s not some talent I possess anyways. I’m not a fuckface whisperer.

Nothing is so simple. Valuing education seems to be a key part of it though is what I get from history. Making things better for awhile. Is that even possible with climate change long term? This strategy might be a total waste of time in the waning era of the humans. That’s up to you. I’m a shit teacher.

Don’t get me wrong I’d personally enjoy seeing their splattered brains but it’d just be a brief and pointless dopamine hit if the rot itself is left alone to continue festering. Which it has been.

Saint Charlie Kirk forming before your very eyes is all that shit did.

Edits are I’m dumb and on mobile.

splendid9583@kbin.earth on 18 Sep 07:42 collapse

"Why didn't somebody just kill Stalin?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMfd3EoHfPI&t=5766s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD8BhZEJcjI&t=966s