from PatrickStar@sh.itjust.works to nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca on 15 Jun 22:17
https://sh.itjust.works/post/61882891
I’ve seen a lot on instances where people in the fediverse will get ganged up on by the whole service after expressing what they, in their mind, say they have reason to believe is a harmless opinion. For example, there was a debate earlier about the importance of exact terminology (someone was banned for using the term “ethnicity” or something like that) and the person was banned and everyone tends to agree on the ban. However, the world is a big place with over 200 cultures, and it might be culturally incentivized to believe in some rather uncomfortable things (so as long as it isn’t something like thinking one group is superior over another).
I was watching a video where supposedly almost the whole continent of South America is going conservative. I think conservatives can be a hard crowd, but I don’t think they’re evil, so I’d just probably be more reserved around them. However, I’ve seen some conservative people be run out of the fediverse, often with exaggerated labels marking them, all for things which, when you think about it, are technically valid debate club material. Suppose a whole nation like Brazil transitioned into a particularly strong conservative trend that, in the very least, didn’t put minorities on a scale or anything or advocate for anything like world conquest, even if it got extremely technical with what aspects of the situation it believed it could support. What’s the norm around here? To geo-block the nation of Brazil?
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No.
The norm is to think in terms of federated instances and their users.
If a user consistently breaks the rules of a community, they get banned from the community. If a user consistently breaks the rules of an instance, they get banned from the instance.
If an instance consistently breaks the rules of another instance, they get defederated.
Simple structure, generally effective.
Geography never needs to come into the discussion. People are people everywhere, both the good and the bad.
This isn’t debate club. Hope that clears it up for you.
No one’s going to stop your type from making accounts in conservative forums like Fox news, OANN, Reddit, Truth Social, etc. if you want their opinions. Are your kind somehow unable or unwilling to put the effort in to do that? Is it too difficult to have a fediverse tab open alongside your conservative friends’ forums?
What does your kind do when the forums you stray into decline to agree with you? Sarcastically suggest that they adopt your “reasonable” and “enlightened” thinking while casually jumping to the farthest extreme suggestions you types can? I rarely see liberal points of view being accepted as uncomfortable truths in conservative media, what makes you people think those opposing your guys’ mentality would act any differently in that regard?
As many conservatives would tell you if you’re a liberal, “If your kind don’t like how we do things around here, feel free to leave and don’t come back!”
In my experience comparing to the alien site, the average Lemmy server is more tolerant of hot takes and conservatism in terms of getting banned or comments removed, however that does not prevent those takes from being heavily downvoted. That may be “ganging up” but it’s not censorship (not that this is the argument you made, but it’s a common conservative refrain I hear)
When it comes to certain topics that will get you banned or your comments removed, that will depend on the community or instance. You must follow the rules of your home instance and the one you post to, whatever “debate club” talking point you have doesn’t matter here. Some rules are implied or based on local law. Examples:
The fediverse, as a whole, has a very loose set of shared values, but the idea is that if you can’t have the discussion that you want, you go elsewhere to a place that you think you will. You have the freedom to move instances, each instance and its users have the freedom whether to accept you or not. Each instance has its own sort of culture, and if you think a ban from an instance was unreasonable, bring your receipts including account handles and modlogs to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com to get community feedback.