Why is KF looked down upon while Discord is not?
from shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee to nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca on 12 May 04:36
https://lemm.ee/post/63717903

Discord: becomes affiliated with perpetrators of mass violence, but nobody cares

KF: becomes affiliated with more petty harassers, and everyone wants them gone

#nostupidquestions

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mp3@lemmy.ca on 12 May 19:43 next collapse

Discord is a huge platform, with a multitude of servers with good portion of users discussing there casually without willfully causing harm.

KF’s main purpose of existence is to harass and target vulnerable people. It deserves to be shunned and shamed­, and anyone using that platform deserves to be ostracized.

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 12 May 04:37 next collapse

OP is talking about the infamous hate site Kiwifarms, which she’s a member of. Proof of this: Click the link I just wrote. It’s archived, so UK users can view it. You can see that the OP in the Kiwifarms thread I just linked, “MoeAnguish”, includes text links to archived Lemmy posts (in the words “strong” and “dislike”), specifically, Lemmy posts that talk about Leni being a Kiwifarms user. The Kiwifarms thread was made less than a day after the Lemmy post that talks about her being a Kiwifarms member. Leni has also hidden links to her Kiwifarms posts in Lemmy comments as well. In the word “question” in the first one, and in the word “overrated” in the second comment. Those links go to Kiwifarms posts by “MoeAnguish”. Same writing style and opinions as well. Context of the Kiwifarms thread is about being recognised on other sites.

On page 2 (also archived, so UK users can see it) of the KiwiFarms thread, there’s a reply by Leni/MoeAnguish where she is gloating about me not approving of her defending Kiwifarms as a “free speech” site here on Lemmy on her Call Me Leni account (proof, scroll down to see Leni’s comment), and “skirting the law” is her referring to me saying I had to use TOR to access the site as I am from the UK. She also made the implication that I dislike Kiwifarms because I’m trans or autistic: “He probably flipped when I defended KF because he falls under the two demographics most known for seeing themselves as at odds with it.” The two demographics Kiwifarms harasses the most are trans and autistic people.

In case the posts/comments get edited to remove the cross linking: (or if Kiwifarms is blocked in your country)

Archive 1 Archive 2

To answer your question about why Kiwifarms is looked down upon, a couple paragraphs from Wikipedia is sufficient to understand why:

Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums (/ˈkwɪki/ KWIH-kee), is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxing and real-life harassment.[3][4][5] Kiwi Farms has been tied to the suicides of three people who were victims of harassment by the website.[6][7][8]

The site targets transgender people,[4][15] people with disabilities,[16][17] and those its users believe to be neurodivergent.[16][17][15] Targets of harassment are referred to on the forum as “lolcows”, named after the idea that they can be “milked for laughs”.[18] Tactics include publishing their victims’ personal information (“doxing”), trying to get them fired from their jobs, reporting crimes at their addresses in an attempt to have police dispatched to their homes (“swatting”), and harassing their family members and friends. Some of Kiwi Farms’ harassment campaigns have continued for months or years, and some aim to drive the targets to suicide.[4][19] Both the site’s owner Moon and the userbase of Kiwi Farms have been described as antisemitic, with Kiwi Farms users targeting a transgender Jewish convert with antisemitic abuse.[20][21]

Discord’s purpose is for direct messaging friends and joining chat servers. The purpose of Kiwifarms is to spread hate. It was also responsible for the suicide of the Higan/BSNES emulator developer, Near/Byuu.

Near stated that they and their friends had been doxxed and goaded into suicide by members of the website, and that Near had been mocked for being autistic

CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf on 15 May 22:18 collapse

That’s not them you are linking to on that site. People pretend to be other people on there all the time, especially in subtle ways like hyperlinking as if they are on here, as it allows them to not have to say they are lying. The fact they in turn link to the KiwiFarms page isn’t proof either; the two users are said to have just known about each other.

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 15 May 23:15 collapse

For those unaware, CraigOhMyEggoAlt is an alt of Call Me Leni: feddit.uk/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=157…

  • Call Me Leni defended Kiwifarms by spreading propaganda that Kiwifarms is a “free speech” site in the comments to this thread: archive.ph/2fPWH The join date shows that Leni has been a member there since 2023. The sign up process has people agreeing with slurs before they’re allowed to join. She has posts there referring to people as “lolcows”. She knows full well what the aim of the site is.

  • The Kiwifarms thread I linked includes other posts by “MoeAnguish” (Leni) later in the thread, including one where Leni on her MoeAnguish Kiwifarms account was gloating about me not approving of her defending Kiwifarms.

  • MoeAnguish/Leni’s comment about “Skirting the law” in the Kiwifarms thread is referring to me having to use TOR to access Kiwifarms for these screenshots and links, since I live in the UK and Kiwifarms is blocked here.

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lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1…

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CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf on 15 May 23:34 collapse

I’ve never seen any censorship on there.

Well, what is it then? And what gives you whatever answer to that you have?

Also, like I said, impersonation is common there.

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 15 May 23:41 collapse

No normal person is going to defend Kiwifarms as a “free speech” site. Based on more reliable sources that talk about Kiwifarms, the sign up process involves a CAPTCHA of some sort which contains multiple slurs, and users have to agree with this before they can join. Users sign up knowing full well what the aim of the site is. Leni defended Kiwifarms as a free speech site on her Lemmy account. Kiwifarms is a hate speech site and conflating the two is another thing that gave Leni away (as if Leni minimizing the harm Kiwifarms has done as “more petty harassment” in the OP of this thread wasn’t also eyebrow-raising). Leni posted two links to Kiwifarms threads, both only go to posts by “MoeAnguish”. No mention of MoeAnguish being an impersonator. MoeAnguish is the only Kiwifarms poster who linked the Lemmy thread I made and referenced things I said in the first person. There’s no implication at all that she’s being impersonated.

Kiwifarms users are known for their trolling, manipulation and lying, though. It’s kind of part of their whole playbook.

CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf on 15 May 23:48 collapse

I’m sure her angle is there is a difference between defending a website’s history and defending the mere act of happening to be on it.

You also answered your own confusion about the free speech thing.

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 15 May 23:50 collapse

“It was made for an angle of free speech” is her direct quote, which is a blatant lie as Kiwifarms was made for hate speech. Conflating hate speech with free speech is, to put it lightly, eyebrow raising. The only people I’ve seen do that are other Kiwifarmers besides her, alt-right fanatics, and bigots.

CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf on 15 May 23:55 collapse

That quote literally cannot be found anywhere.

The whole defense for hate speech is free speech, but I’m guessing she doesn’t mean hate speech. You’ll have to ask her if I am wrong if you think I might be.

Sources say she is on there specifically to monitor the site when they mention her friends, with some in-between dialogue which has her use the site vocabulary in a tone that isn’t meant to be synonymous with her agreeing with their extremism.

May I also remind you that Lemmy not only advocates assassination but even sponsors it (not in the money sense)?

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 15 May 23:57 collapse

That quote literally cannot be found anywhere.

This is another lie from you.

Proof: archive.ph/CrAUJ

Scroll down. Leni’s comment is there.

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Sources say

There are no sources. This is something you made up just now to try and get out of being exposed for being a Kiwifarms member, even though you defended it as a free speech site on your main account, Call Me Leni.

You seem to now be trying out a new method of lying/manipulating people by banning your Call Me Leni account from one of your own communities via your ShiverMeTimbers account, to promote a wild conspiracy in the modlog reason box that dozens of different admins are all banding together and banning you for being autistic (which is a new claim from you). lemmy.ca/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=14969… fortunately it is possible on Lemmy to see which mod banned whom. That wasn’t very bright of you.

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Modlog for your ShiverMeTimbers alt: “Alt of Malicious user @shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee” lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1…

Worth pointing out that your ShiverMeTimbers alt created a machiavellianism community, as well, and the content of the sidebar is also quite eyebrow-raising: lemm.ee/c/machiavellianism (Archive)

This is a community where those who seek to be manipulative or discuss manipulation can come to discuss themselves and ways they bent norms and rules. If that sounds crazy to you, there is a rationale and it isn’t necessarily illegal or immoral, in fact it’s arguably the opposite. Suppose you live in a world where you are everyone’s target, and they’re willing to engage in hypocrisy if it means fulfilling this. You cannot fight back, you are only one individual and you will lose. You cannot leave. You cannot stand to sit through it. What do you do? You find loopholes and put their tactics in such a position that they are fooled or swayed against each other. Imagine there are anonymous reporters who falsely report both SWAT and the CPS on you. Though this example is borderline illegal, as is reporting them on you, a machiavellian is the one who puts them in a position where they meet up in your home and go after each other. Machiavellianism is the martial arts of the mind, the Karate Kid for people who cannot rely on their bodies. Please note that, in order to honor Lemmy, anything that’s actually aligned with criminality will be banned, as will the posters.

Anywho, thanks for proving my point that Kiwifarms users like to lie and manipulate people.

I’m off. Toodles

flamingos@feddit.uk on 16 May 04:15 collapse

feddit.uk/post/28825432/17190982

This link only works for you and admins. Others will just see an error page.

Btw, don’t down vote the same comments with your alts, some instances run scripts to look for this behaviour and ban people.

I also don’t get why you’re feeding the trolls like this, a simple report like ‘Cell me Leni alt’ would suffice.

Lembot_0002@lemm.ee on 12 May 04:42 collapse

Looked down by whom?
What is “KF”?

Discord: becomes affiliated with perpetrators of mass violence

Is it?

Trilobyte@feddit.uk on 12 May 04:45 collapse

OP is referring to the infamous hate site Kiwifarms which they’re a member of. I don’t know why it was abbreviated since more people would know what OP is talking about if they just spelled it out. Kiwifarms is affiliated with much more than just “petty” harassers. Several people have committed suicide due to group harassment from that site including the Higan/BSNES developer, Near/Byuu.

CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtf on 15 May 22:18 collapse

I checked, they’re not a member of it. What you’re using to say they are a member are red herrings.