What is the final solution for the Russia Question
from cheese_greater@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca on 10 Mar 2025 13:14
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from cheese_greater@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.ca on 10 Mar 2025 13:14
https://lemmy.world/post/26613985
What are some of Russia’s historical analogues or antecedants who were eased into mitigation?
Its all about the easing process of defanging them. Like gently but firmly removing the reins of power and helping the pesky ones go quietly into their sad night
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Napoleon? Hitler?
That’s an interesting choice of words. Feels pretty genocidy in my humble opinion
Mitigation, not necessarily destruction.
Side note: what is the civilized way to deal with genociders and might is right folks? Are they equalky valid and how do we balance their right to their opinions and raising the next generation of hate with avoiding further harm?
To my knowledge Russia isn’t attempting to commit genocide. They want to have Ukraine under their thumb, not eradicated.
That is in no way a defence of Russia’s actions. I just don’t think we need to levy, what I believe to be a falsehood (I’m willing to accept I may be wrong here if anyone has evidence) at Russia to denounce them.
My comment about genocide was a jab at your Hitler-esque choice of words and comparing your view of Russian people to Hitler’s view of Jewish people.
Eradication of Ukraine’s language & identity, kidnapping children to raise them as Russian etc are all recognised types of genocide that they are actively doing on a daily basis. They don’t so much want all Ukrainians to die as they want the very idea of Ukraine being anything other than yet another Russian oblast to cease to exist.
Now that you mention it, I do remember hearing about the kidnapping and conversion way back at the start of the invasion.
Thanks for the education, I don’t think the things you brought up are reported widely enough
Russia under the tsars?
But how were the Tsars eased from influence and control, what did that process look like?
They and everyone related to them that could be found were hunted down and killed, followed by a civil war and 69 years of iron fisted rule by a new elite, posing as communists, after which those elites who saw the imminent collapse pivoted to being oligarchs.
Nature abhors a vacuum.
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World War III
Look at history before WWII. More wars, imperialism, competition in general. The end of WWII brought a new superpower—the USA—NATO, the United Nations and a shift to more diplomacy and trade.
Yes, yes there was still imperialistic shit going on, even to this day. But, it hasn’t been nearly as bad as pre-WWII.
Russia, and the USA, are shifting back to the old footing of using hard power to for economic gain and influence. China might be heading that way, too.
Hopefully, it gets rolled back. I think there is some hope for the USA for peaceful regime change. Russia, however, still isn’t feeling the pain of regressive policies enough to make a change. I think, absent all out global war, things will have to get pretty bad there before their attitudes change.
If Russia is going to do Russian things, then Russian things will happen.
Historically Russia empire builds until they collapse due to poor policies, their territories separate, Russia economically rebounds, Russia then empire builds.
The best we can hope for is hold a line that they won’t cross and we can have diplomacy and cultural exchange that leads to a more progressive government that doesn’t feel “othered” by the world, as has been the case, and then Russia can be welcomed into the international community as a friend.
No peoples that are alienated and maligned will be peaceful, Russia and Best Korea are examples of this. We can be their friends and let our friendship be get peace.
I think you’re ignoring the stage of the world, right now: The Great Filter’s where we’re at, now.
Imagine a giant “cell”, a world with too-many humans to be able to support them all, because humans got adult technology, multiplying humankind’s effect 10,000-fold, but … humans are still part-toddler & part-pubescent tween…
Except now, the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current ( AMOC ) is shutting-down, Greenland’s melting into the North Atlantic ( which will wreck the North Atlantic’s ports, later this century ), the actual CO2 & methane levels in this world’s atmosphere nail the planet’s equilibrium-temperature to between +8C & +9C, most of { California, Texas, Sahara, Saudi-Arabia, India, Outback of Australia } become uninhabitABLE by about +4C, & the political-tantrum, the ideological-tantrum the “religious”-tantrum, etc, all are stacking-up on top of the panic-migrations that are going to be forced shortly…
& then ask the Russia question…
What’s actually happening, is that humankind is going-through
etc…
Pick a view, in other words…
I don’t believe that country-nationalism CAN survive The Great Filter: I believe that it has to be Blue Marble Earth “nation” or it’s going to be factional-supremacists exterminating humankind for their own “authority” and “supremacy” and “importance” until humankind’s completely nonviable, & functionally finished…
The Kahneman1-mind, imprint->reaction mind, lower-forebrain, ideology/prejudice/“religion” which “doesn’t need to consider: it INHERENTLY just knows” …
is fighting to force-extinguish Kahneman2-mind, considered-reasoning mind, upper-forebrain, studying-and-accepting-evidence mode, because Universe is sooo much more complexer than we default to ignorantly assume…
( Daniel Kahneman’s “Thinking Fast and Slow” is part of the root of this understanding: it’s literally a species-wide fighting-off of growing-up, to “return to the animals-&-tribes-times”, that the “biblical” people want to enforce, but it’s ALL ideologies wanting to enforce, the non-thinking REACTING nature of it )
Now ask:
IS Russia, in the crunch-time of this world, going to suddenly replace ideology with critical-thinking-education & considered-reasoning??
No?
THEN Russia is warring for the obliteration of considered-reasoning.
Do the same question for EVERY nation in this world, & add-up the results.
You will find that the white-blue-white Russians are committed to considered-reasoning, but the white-blue-red Russians are not…
Same with all countries: there are some who want their animal-reaction obliterating all competitors from the face of this Universe, there are others who understand that the Copernican revolution ( no, neither Sun nor G-D revolves around “the world of Man”. ) never went far-enough, & that we have to accept that in the Great Scheme of Things™, we are … sentient dust!
& if we accept that we are much more likely to be developmentally-backward citizens of this Universe, objectively, & that is too-much of an ego-hit for the animal-reaction ideologues…
Ask about the Confederates!
Ask about the CCP!
Ask about the Rupert Murdoch populist-dictatorship people! ( the elegant & brilliant remapping of Leninism from left to right, from proletariat-dictatorship to populist-dictatorship. Both Leninism & Murdochism are evil, in my eyes, but the efficiency with-which they eradicate uprightness from civilizations: they’re like efficient cancer!
I want considered-reasoning, & Issue-Diagrams, & responsibility-archy, & accountability, they want authority-without-accountability-or-responsibility, so they’re on the opposite side, but … you simply have to admire efficiency when it’s that much greater than one’s own side’s work, even while working to counter it…
maybe people who aren’t systems-creatures won’t understand that, but systems-people … effectiveness can itself be beautiful )
So, what I see is that focusing in Russia is ac