I know you don’t want them to want AI, but… (www.anildash.com)
from cm0002@libretechni.ca to firefox@fedia.io on 16 Nov 2025 16:58
https://libretechni.ca/post/414638

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BeanGoblin@lemmy.blahaj.zone on 16 Nov 2025 17:15 next collapse

“I don’t want AI”

“Actually you do though, but if you don’t then you’re an out of touch pretentious old weirdo and should just shut the fuck up”

hedgehog@ttrpg.network on 16 Nov 2025 17:26 next collapse

More like “Sure, but plenty of your non-techy friends and family do.” Otherwise the article wouldn’t have said that Mozilla needs to add a single toggle to disable all AI features to Firefox.

Carighan@piefed.world on 16 Nov 2025 21:28 collapse

Don't expect ex-reddit-users to read the actual article...

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 16 Nov 2025 20:11 collapse

Firefox translation is AI. Should they remove that?

noxypaws@pawb.social on 16 Nov 2025 20:54 next collapse

If it’s less accurate than previously used methods of translations? Yes.

If it consumes more resources than previously used methods of translations? Yes.

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 17 Nov 2025 01:58 next collapse

There were no previous methods of translation.

noxypaws@pawb.social on 17 Nov 2025 17:25 next collapse

Them it’s pretty far down my list of objections. It’s not automatically enabled and hasn’t been too slow or heavy in my experience.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 17 Nov 2025 20:04 collapse

I’ve been using copy and paste to translation websites both before and after Firefox implemented translation.

Fizz@lemmy.nz on 18 Nov 2025 00:54 collapse

Ok so pasting it into another AI. I dont get how this changes anything.

The point is that people say they dont want AI features. But they really dont want chatbot features and are happy with AI being used for text prediction, translation, text to speech, speech to text, OCR and other useful features. Mozilla set themselves apart by adding these features on device and it was a much appreciated privacy step.

They’ve failed a lot with ai like website building, summerization, tab grouping. But the do need to try otherwise thry wikl always be considered the old browser lacking modern features instead of the bleeding edge trailblazing browser they should be.

cepelinas@sopuli.xyz on 18 Nov 2025 12:09 collapse

For me firefox translate is better than google translate when translating english to german.

Snarwin@fedia.io on 16 Nov 2025 23:45 next collapse

People don't want Firefox translation because they "want AI," though. They want it because being able to translate web pages is a useful feature. I think it's quite telling that nowhere in the linked article does the author actually defend Firefox's new "Window AI" feature as useful. Instead, the only argument he can make for it is that AI is popular.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 17 Nov 2025 20:04 collapse

Using third party translation services just like I want to use third party AI services instead of built-in AI is a price I’m willing to pay to come back to Firefox.

kbal@fedia.io on 16 Nov 2025 18:07 next collapse

Regular, non-expert internet users find it fun, or even amusing, to play gacha games. And yet the sentiment about a potential new gacha game panel built into Firefox has been overwhelmingly negative. While sophisticated gamer aesthetes find those creations gauche or even offensive, other cultures find them perfectly addictive.

Most of the people that see gacha games as a valuable use of their time on this earth belong to demographics that are dismissed by all you internet weirdos. It's an incredibly mainstream experience now. Regular people have no problem collecting trading cards, making the numbers go up, and spending money on in-game purchases. If Firefox wants to keep up with the times it needs a built-in gacha game so that it can protect the privacy of all the billions of people who will see it and understand that Firefox is the web browser and gacha game platform made for them.

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world on 16 Nov 2025 18:36 collapse

“Regular” internet users don’t use Firefox though. And adding a dumb game to the browser won’t change that.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 17 Nov 2025 19:02 collapse

I consider myself “above” a regular internet user, as in I’ve hosted Lemmy just for the experience and recently moved all my services to a closed mesh for security and because I can.

Firefox have lost me as well, so who is it for these days?

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world on 17 Nov 2025 20:19 collapse

For now, it’s for the guys at Librewolf who keep the garbage out for me.

But yeah…. future doesn’t look great with Mozilla’s choices the last few years.

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 17 Nov 2025 20:30 collapse

The LibreWolf team communication was unclear after they originally decided NOT to remove Mozilla’s AI nonsense. Could you point me to a clear statement or a git commit that shows me they’ve removed the AI components and I’ll consider going back to LibreWolf.

CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world on 18 Nov 2025 10:18 collapse

Honestly I just assumed they would continue doing what they do, and dispense with the nonsense. But that’s what I get for assuming. I haven’t seen anything from them about it one way or the other. Got a link?

Snarwin@fedia.io on 16 Nov 2025 22:32 next collapse

If Henry Ford had given his users what they wanted, he would have built a faster horse.

Users want AI right now because a lot of people have spent a lot of money to convince them they want it. A few years ago, they wanted crypto and VR; a few more years from now, they'll want something else. We're already seeing evidence that the current AI boom is an unsustainable bubble. Will "hundreds of millions of users" still be using ChatGPT after OpenAI's investors get tired of losing billions of dollars every year, and decide it's time to start squeezing their customers for more cash?

This kind of trend-chasing is what happens when the people in charge have no real principles or vision underlying their actions. Firefox didn't beat Internet Explorer by following the crowd; it won by delivering a product that was better, and doing things nobody else had done before (like tabs). In order to do that, the people making it had to have a strong vision of what a "better" browser would look like.

eleijeep@piefed.social on 16 Nov 2025 23:08 collapse

A few years ago, they wanted crypto and VR

Funny you should mention that because the 2010 Webby Award Winner who wrote this article was also involved in developing a blockchain platform in 2014 which according to Wikipedia “has since been called the first implementation of non-fungible tokens (NFTs).”

I wonder what he’s doing now…

murph@lemmy.sdf.org on 16 Nov 2025 23:56 next collapse

How about making it a nice plugin? Could it be something that is optional and not hard to disable? Or is that too much to ask?

kowanatsi@lemmy.world on 17 Nov 2025 10:13 next collapse

AI is the new bit of crap you now have to disable when visiting family. new apple device? disable in settings, disable in firefox, disable in duckduckgo. i see the benefit of ML in sciences but for gen consumers it’s just more personal data collection for sale so it can fuck right off

DrDystopia@lemy.lol on 17 Nov 2025 20:06 next collapse

I spent much of the last week having the distinct honor of serving as MC at the Mozilla Festival in Barcelona

Thanks for telling me you work for Mozilla, this instantly invalidates the rest of your Mozilla praise.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 18 Nov 2025 12:17 collapse

i mean mozfest is just a conference with invited speakers; being an mc doesn’t mean they work for mozilla.

cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone on 18 Nov 2025 12:15 collapse

because there’s not a single documented use case for ai that is worth the destruction of the planet.