@nixCraft Ahah bad timing for this 😂.

FYI, Sylvestre from Mozilla replied on HN:

"Please don't read too much into this ;) We moved from self-hosted Discourse to hosted Discourse. The transfer was initiated late from the Mozilla side (my bad) and the automatic system from Discourse kicked in."

@nixCraft The question now is what are the alternatives? A fork of Firefox not doing that crap would be very nice if it had all the same features. I really need the container tab function.

@nixCraft Can't forget about their big Mozilla.AI push either! :finger_point:⁠@MozillaAI

@nixCraft
Any advice on a new browser with useful add-ons?

@nixCraft
Easy explanation: Once Chrome became good enough, the Google contract changed to "here's $$$$$, make Firefox irrelevant".

@nixCraft https://infosec.exchange/@avuko/109760794704740826 🤷‍♂️

@nixCraft It's mediocre thinkers of the sort you see embedded in the bowels of every large enterprise elevated into the stewardship of something they don't understand.

They're the sort of people locked into the orthodoxy of what others are doing — not looking for the best, simplest, or easiest routes forward but rather the safest routes forward — the same ones everyone else is pursuing.

They squandered Mozilla's unique position and can't fathom why they're locked into this perpetual decline.

@nixCraft “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” - Hanlon’s razor

@nixCraft Greed and Trump.

As Trump is now in power, all these large corporations will feel empowered to be more pro money, pro selling data, pro fucking users data, pro I don't give a damn as I won't be investigated.

Browsers and search companies will ALWAYS find a way to sell data - openly or avertly. Cookies, now fingering, next will be fisting.

@nixCraft Think of it as "The precession of the perihelion of marketing." Leadership inexplicably is never where the (classic) theory says it's supposed to be...

@mozillaofficial and other social/capital hybrids making big wonky loops again and again in plain sight reveal something more general that's too low-level to be seen with the naked eye...

...That our theories of value, incentive, growth, and wealth need fundamental, alienating rewriting. That's happening, though we forget today's store-brand Relativity took many decades of uncertainty, this will too.

@nixCraft It reminds me of what happened with Unity 3D some years ago.

@nixCraft capitalism never works, learnt the hard way

@nixCraft "It is like they want to ruin the project on purpose. There is no other explanation I can think of. Can you?"

I think ruining projects is a side-effect, not the purple/goal. Management/CEOs want to wring the most short-term profit they can out of an organization while they are running it. That usually means damaging the product/reputation in the long run, but they'll be retired by the time their greed becomes a problem.

@nixCraft Firefox lost a long time ago, but had guaranteed income from the search-ads deals. They tried many things over the years to create another revenue source but failed.

I heard from a Mozilla insider that regulatory changes (from even before the current administration) will make those search-ads deals illegal. Which is kind of a good thing but now the org is facing its end and dissolving in predictable ways

@nixCraft
> you can't watch p0rn,

And how is that TOS enforced?

@nixCraft I got librewolf yestrtday

@nixCraft Good bye Firefox. Switching to Brave.

@nixCraft

Billion dollars from google, being funded 90% by google.

@nixCraft I wondered too whether this was a ploy to intentionally destroy their browser. I'm at a loss for better explanations why they'd destroy their reputation so meticulously.

@nixCraft Stupidity, Cumulative bad decisions by execs who don't give a hoot.

@nixCraft friggin a. How can we incentivize suits and shareholders to care about long term health and sustainability instead of short term gains?

@nixCraft

Quite absurd how a CEO can broker a deal, working for an organization like Mozilla in this manner

#CEO #Mozilla #Firefox #Thunder #Thunderbird

@nixCraft When the Mozilla Corporation was spun up and Firefox was transferred under it, the writing was on the wall: Mozilla had been captured by VC techbros whose long-term mission will be enshitification. Freemium services, acquisitions, data collection. It's the only formula for value these VC types know.

All C-levels and Board members need to be purged, Pocket and VPN and the other nonsense needs to go, and Mozilla needs to only create a browser. Only a browser.

@nixCraft I'm just hoping that #ZenBrowser stays viable until #ladybirdbrowser can take over.
#firefox was already too dependent on kickbacks from G...

@nixCraft
CEO Compensation: The high CEO compensation raises questions about resource allocation and whether it aligns with the company's non-profit roots.

@nixCraft
Only a sociopath can take millions from unpaid open source contributors and security researchers. When your wealth is derived from others' poverty it creates sociopathy in those that scramble over their fellow workers to climb to the top. Even the university tenure process trains teachers and students to exploit anyone beneath them. Survival of the greediest.
@smeg

@nixCraft Librewolf and Mullvad/Tor Browser for me then I guess.

@nixCraft Yesterday, I tried to help a friend by looking up a kitchen appliance on the Sur La Table web site to see if they carried the product. A few minutes later, I got some spam from some nonentity calling itself surlatable@safeopt.com thanking me for "checking us out." I had not logged in and Firefox was configure to delete cookies when it closes.

I put both on my shit list: what would you do if visited a store and they had someone follow you home and put trash in your mailbox?

@nixCraft FLOSS foundations must be as minimalist as possible, especially in terms of budget.

@nixCraft $7M, seriously? What's source for this? If true, then beyond outrageous.

@nixCraft Alphabet and or Microsoft goes nudge nudge, know what I mean? After the project’s dead, cash in reward

@nixCraft

There is pressure to make it die, zero doubt.

@nixCraft wait what. What about net neutrality?

@nixCraft I was thinking about it last night, and I really think they are sabotaging themselves.

@nixCraft man with (a lot of ) money turns bad

@nixCraft
No more Mozilla, no more Firefox, how is Thunderbird? Should it go too?
@Npars01

And isn't is amazing that they keep begging for donations, so their CEO can get at least $7MM a year? WTF? They are millionaires, and they expect us to contribute money to them, as if they are some deity? And Mitchell Baker is doing a shit job too. She's worth minimum wage.

Stop with this bullshit FUD. For fucks sake, I thought foss communities were smarter than Republicans who fall for the same old shit every single fucking time. Clearly I was mistaken.

@nixCraft CEO isn't "ruining Firefox on purpose" - the (current) purpose of Firefox is simply to protect Google from an anti-trust monopoly case, for Chrome. [Evidence? Mozilla's funding]

@nixCraft I think @mozillaofficial should hand over #Firefox to @torproject and let #TorBrowser become the new #upstream!

I mean, @thunderbird / #Thunderbird got taken over by it's community as well. Not shure if they have any relations beyond #Trademark and some #Hosting infra at #Mozilla...