We don’t need a fork of Firefox.
We need a fork of Mozilla.
#Mozilla #Firefox
from Jeremiah@alpaca.gold to firefox@fedia.io on 27 Feb 2025 09:46
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from Jeremiah@alpaca.gold to firefox@fedia.io on 27 Feb 2025 09:46
https://alpaca.gold/users/Jeremiah/statuses/114075213402183507
We don’t need a fork of Firefox.
We need a fork of Mozilla.
#firefox #mozilla
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We need more browser competition.
Switching to a Chromium-based browser (Arc, Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, et al) does not increase browser competition. It just further strengthens Google’s ability to control the web as a platform.
#Mozilla #Firefox
Oops. Broke my own thread.
Continued here: https://alpaca.gold/@Jeremiah/114075289692237708
@Jeremiah in my newly found #Europatrionism I tried to find a euro-based browser. Yet all the engines were the same, except Mulvad and servo. And neither had the maturity I needed to run them for most stuff, still made Mulvad my default though… do you know of any other with a tad more consumer readiness ?
@nicolaiofdk Not yet. I am going to keep using Firefox until Servo or Ladybird are mature enough. Mozilla is being dumb, but it's not yet insufferable for me.
@Jeremiah do you have any nuggets regarding the Norwegians (opera / Vivaldi)
Found a list with supposed non-chromium browsers. But it’s a couple of years old, so I don’t know if it holds water.
There’s Firefox & Waterfox
Librewolf
Mullvad
GNOME Web (Epiphany)
Pale Moon
SeaMonkey
Midori
K-Meleon
Otter Browser
And of cause, Safari.
I can’t speak to the validity or quality of any of these. But at least there is something to look into.
I would like to add Zen Browser as a nice Firefox Fork
@Jeremiah
At least one group is trying. https://ladybird.org
And most people here seem to be switching to LibreWolf, Fennec, and/or Vivaldi.
@aspensmonster
@dpflug
Seeing Shopify and Proton as sponsors is a little off-putting if I'm being honest. The way proton enshitified especially makes it worrisome.
@Jeremiah @aspensmonster
@bobkmertz @dpflug @aspensmonster Unlike Mozilla's leadership, I think Ladybird's co-founders understand the primary reason people are supporting them is because they are not doing what Mozilla is doing.
Shopify and Proton are problematic companies, but I don't think they have enough financial sway or anti-privacy business reasons to corrupt Ladybird.
Regardless, I am rooting more for @servo / Verso.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0MIHKv45C0
@Jeremiah
But at one point Mozilla was in the same position. We see it in corporations and politics all the time where someone just takes a little money expecting it to be just that and then later they realize they are trapped.
@dpflug @aspensmonster @servo
A fork of Mozilla would result in a fork of Firefox, though.
i believe they were speaking as a 'fork' of the corporation itself
@rumschlumpel
@Jeremiah There are many forks of firefox, it isn't hard to do. However since Mozilla does most of the hard work on the core all the forks end up being skin deep changes. Mozilla controls all the hard code behind firefox and so the evil that Mozilla does is almost impossible to remove (forks will sometimes disable it, but it is still there waiting for someone to make a mistake).
What we need is all the people forking firefox to get together and fork Mozilla thus getting a core that believes in some principals that Mozilla used to give lip service to. This core needs a dedicated team who work on the hard parts.
@bluGill @rumschlumpel So far, the "evil" is not in the Firefox codebase. It's only in the Mozilla privacy policy.
Removing actual bad things from the Chromium codebase has proven to be very difficult to maintain.
@Jeremiah
@rumschlumpel as soon as mozilla puts bad things in we are sunk umless someone maintains the code.
Duckduckgo?
DDG browser is Blink which is Chromium.
Hmm... disappointing
I think we all need to throw support at Mullvad and Windscribe. I really wish one of them would introduce a Proton-esque type of environment.
Ok, this fork of Firefox actually is pretty great:
@zenbrowser is Firefox under the hood, but with a UX more like Arc. It’s already had over 2 million downloads. I am trying it out for a week as my primary browser and will report back.
https://zen-browser.app/
#Mozilla #Firefox
@Jeremiah
I'm using Zen since some weeks now and really like it!
Thanks @zenbrowser for developing such a great fork <3
@Jeremiah :oof: