Wait, what? By using #Firefox, I now grant Mozilla "a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use" any data I "upload or input"? That seems, uhm, rather broad. Wtf. I want my old Mozilla back
from jschauma@mstdn.social to firefox@fedia.io on 26 Feb 2025 22:35
https://mstdn.social/users/jschauma/statuses/114072572772110102

Wait, what? By using #Firefox, I now grant Mozilla "a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use" any data I "upload or input"? That seems, uhm, rather broad. Wtf.

I want my old Mozilla back.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/legal/terms/firefox/

Screenshot of Mozilla's new terms: "You Give Mozilla Certain Rights and Permissions You give Mozilla all rights necessary to operate Firefox, including processing data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice, as well as acting on your behalf to help you navigate the internet. When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."

#FireFox #firefox

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BlowUpRadio@gardenstate.social on 27 Feb 2025 00:40 next collapse

@jschauma you appear to be highlighting only part of the sentence. the rest of the sentence appears to give the context that the use is only to help you navigate... etc. Not to use for anything they please.

Would probably make sense to contact Mozilla to confirm the context before jumping to a conclusion that may, or may not be accurate.

Again, not saying you're wrong, but I am saying the language they use is open to interpretation, and clarification from the company could help.

BlowUpRadio@gardenstate.social on 27 Feb 2025 00:46 collapse

@jschauma in fact a similar query from 2014 language in Mozilla's sync shows

"IIRC, section 5 is basically guaranteeing that you are the actual owner of content that is uploaded to Sync, and that Mozilla isn't going to get sued for copyright infringement The content you upload is secure, and not even Mozilla can access it, and the terms are only for a "license to use your content in connection with the provision of the Services"."

https://support.mozilla.org/si/questions/1004368

mcc@mastodon.social on 27 Feb 2025 05:33 collapse

@BlowUpRadio @jschauma Such language makes a lot of sense for Sync because it's an online service which hosts user materials. But the new Firefox grant appears to be granting Firefox a license to content uploaded to websites Mozilla has no connection to. It's not about Sync or Profiles or anything, just Firefox, and I can't opt out by not using Sync.

mansr@society.oftrolls.com on 27 Feb 2025 09:04 collapse

@mcc @BlowUpRadio @jschauma It could well be intended to shield them from idiotic lawsuits in Germany or places with similarly absurd laws and clueless courts. Like that one a while back where someone was upset because his "private information" (IP address) had passed without his permission to a server. I would give them a chance to explain before assuming the worst. Clauses amounting to "you give us permission to do what we must do in order to do the thing you requested" are pretty normal.

albertcardona@mathstodon.xyz on 28 Feb 2025 17:43 collapse

@jschauma I think we are done with Firefox. Was a good run while it lasted. Back to simpler browsers (like lynx or elinks) or simply alternative browsers (Vivaldi is looking more and more attractive, a pity part of it is closed-source). Or old-yet-new ones like Konqueror.

I wonder what the ToR Browser @torproject will do now: likely more work to maintain the fork.